LOL if you are in the USA and like the mountains and simple living tbere is a EMF free zone caused by US Government In North East part of West Virginia. Everything is wire shelded no RF allowed for a wide area over a few counties. No cell phones no Radio stations etc.
So do the same everything wired or true IR.
Open laptop and disconnect wifi daughter board. or buy a server style PC they have greater RF shelding and no built in wifi.
Who here can relate to EMF-handicapped
EMF is a real problem and only going to get worse. As OP will have figured moving away from sources are going to be the only way to gain peace he did not say where he is living but if he is in a city apartment building he is so over loaded by EMF he has no control over any nearby source like PC will push him over Into problems.
Try a EMF vacation. Just got pics of my hill billy sister living in WV on the edge of the EMF free zone looks wonderful.
There is some nice tourist attractions within that zone.. With actual old timey payphone booths 
Try a EMF vacation. Just got pics of my hill billy sister living in WV on the edge of the EMF free zone looks wonderful.
There is some nice tourist attractions within that zone.. With actual old timey payphone booths http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_S ... Quiet_Zone
Also placing your computer inside a microwave oven cuts EMF to nearly zero. I store my backup hd and one laptop inside a unused microwave oven just incase of a solar flare or overhead nuke. That is why Im a big fan of run in RAM and multisession save OS in DVD or BluRay. EMF killing electronics have no effect on CD or DVDs media.
Also placing your computer inside a microwave oven cuts EMF to nearly zero. I store my backup hd and one laptop inside a unused microwave oven just incase of a solar flare or overhead nuke. That is why Im a big fan of run in RAM and multisession save OS in DVD or BluRay. EMF killing electronics have no effect on CD or DVDs media.
OP could also try mylar sleeping bags less than 20 dollars to cut EMF reaching his body. IT works. try a mylar chip bag and test if someone can call you right back on your cellphone if you place it into a chip bag and fold over openning. Most mylar bags are see thro and flexible wonder if just covering and folding over a large bag like the sleeping bag over laptop would work.. 
microwave oven eh ...
well EMF... are we talking microwaves... UHF..... of the stuff produced by high voltage spikes...magnetic only ... cathode rays... ultra voilet?
Lots of items quoted and a vast range of radiation types all of which can have widely differing effects from warming sheep to wobbling water atoms and twanging yer dna.
I find the most harmful radiation is from TV transmitters spewing lies , junk and propaganda into the minds of billions
mike
well EMF... are we talking microwaves... UHF..... of the stuff produced by high voltage spikes...magnetic only ... cathode rays... ultra voilet?
Lots of items quoted and a vast range of radiation types all of which can have widely differing effects from warming sheep to wobbling water atoms and twanging yer dna.
I find the most harmful radiation is from TV transmitters spewing lies , junk and propaganda into the minds of billions
mike
mikeb I do not think he is joking this was not placed in off topic area. Its a real issue for those who have it. Ate lunch in a cool two story restaurant with a outdoor deck to view WV version of the Materhoon or Mt. Fugi. forgot name but a perfectly white Mountain in a sea of dark Green. There the local tribe of EMF suffers stayed.
I have a slight issue with near fields EMF such as poorly grounded computer cases and such with my muscular dystrophy causing temporary paralysis of the fingers or arm if it is resting against such sources. That was the second earilest sign of my coming M.D. issues as a young teen.
He also could have early MS or MD or any type of electrical based body issues. There is a MD condition which is near what I have and they had to cross it off the list of conditions to figure out mine. It does effect the vision and I was OK in the eyes.
I have a slight issue with near fields EMF such as poorly grounded computer cases and such with my muscular dystrophy causing temporary paralysis of the fingers or arm if it is resting against such sources. That was the second earilest sign of my coming M.D. issues as a young teen.
He also could have early MS or MD or any type of electrical based body issues. There is a MD condition which is near what I have and they had to cross it off the list of conditions to figure out mine. It does effect the vision and I was OK in the eyes.
I was being light hearted, but more seriously was wondering about the vastly different sources mentioned and being under the one heading.
That's not exactly radiation though hence my previous query. I had a similar experience for different reasons with a seeding machine in which the motor windings were breaking down so 3 phase mains was dancing on the fortunately earthed machine which made me dance too.
mike
well a badly earthed computer case does have VOLTAGE magnetically induced into the metal work from the stray field from the PSU. (the case becomes a single winding on a transformer in effect.).. you would have the equivalent of a mild electric shock... something that would make anyone react. Had a jolt of that one in the past. A well earth case pervents any significant potential difference developing.I have a slight issue with near fields EMF such as poorly grounded computer cases and such with my muscular dystrophy causing temporary paralysis of the fingers or arm if it is resting against such sources.
That's not exactly radiation though hence my previous query. I had a similar experience for different reasons with a seeding machine in which the motor windings were breaking down so 3 phase mains was dancing on the fortunately earthed machine which made me dance too.
mike
Muscular dystrophy existed before computers/TV/radio, that you experienced symptoms whilst operating a computer is not proof the computer is the cause, or EMF are an exacerbating factor.Ted Dog wrote: I have a slight issue with near fields EMF such as poorly grounded computer cases and such with my muscular dystrophy causing temporary paralysis of the fingers or arm if it is resting against such sources. That was the second earilest sign of my coming M.D. issues as a young teen.
e.g. the OP mentions cataract , eyesight defects may become apparent to the sufferer when reading a computer screen, (as many people sit in front of a computer for hours every day), but that's not proof the computer is causing the eyesight problem. In the past people incorrectly blamed reading books for causing deteriorating eyesight.
Similarly the peculiar movements required when typing on a keyboard may cause your MD symptoms to become apparent , ( but a operating a mechanical typewriter would have the same effect , no electricity required ).
Apparently it also works if you want a "five finger discount"Ted Dog wrote:... IT works. try a mylar chip bag and test if someone can call you right back on your cellphone if you place it into a chip bag and fold over openning.
... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Booster_bagthere is a new issue with touch screens on smart phones for people like myself with changes in the electrochemistry at the cell level it causes the lack of whatever it is that iPhones and my new Android use to tell there is a finger there. Its frustrating I can press tell the cows comes home and it does not know I am there. When I was a 7th grader I saved my money for one of those touch lamps. Which worked for everyone else as designed but me 
I could feel the energy at the base.
Others with same condition have the same type of issues I was going to look into using a smartphone touch screen as a diagnostic but forgot until now.
I could feel the energy at the base.Others with same condition have the same type of issues I was going to look into using a smartphone touch screen as a diagnostic but forgot until now.
See the various kinds of touch sensitivity listed here.Ted Dog wrote:...whatever it is that iPhones and my new Android use to tell there is a finger there.
Re: Who here can relate to EMF-handicapped
Going under high-powered lines for just a short while is what's probably called "acute" (similar to putting your finger quickly thru a candle flame). It doesn't compare to proximity+prolongedly - even if the latter is relatively weaker.
As for WIFI, many experts warn against it (such as Dr.Magda Havas - see her on YouTube). I also tend to get bad headaches & heart palps in proximity to my radio, and obviously radio is not visual.
For all I know, maybe I would do better with a wireless mouse & keyboard, despite what the experts say. On the other hand, maybe it's risky.
I do know for a fact that when roaming with an AM radio (tuned to white noise) - and enter my computer area, there's a loud buzzing whenever it gets near the computer or the modem. The buzzing represents heavy EMFs. It similarly buzzes near every curly-fluresent lightbulb, as well as digital clocks which are on stoves and elsewhere.
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Ted Dog - just now noticed Page 2 of this thread. If you type BUMP in response below, that could remind me to take a look at page 2 of this thread, since right now I'm zonked. I noticed you offered alot of solutions, alot of which I'd read of in past, but there's just so much I can do. Nevertheless, I'll take a look. I'd been aware that there's a EMF-free zone somewhere in a NJ military-security zone, but maybe my memory is off, and it's actually in VA.
As for WIFI, many experts warn against it (such as Dr.Magda Havas - see her on YouTube). I also tend to get bad headaches & heart palps in proximity to my radio, and obviously radio is not visual.
Better yet - I just added a notification of such in my signature. (update: but it doesn't seem to be displaying.)Les Kerf wrote:When we aren't able to smooth the road, sometimes we can at least put springs in the wagon.Minni wrote:I'm trying to smooth the road...
...P.S. I'd appreciate an answer to my original question only...
I am certainly not qualified to help with your problem, all I can suggest is that when you do start a thread, to make mention that there may be a delay in responding.
It's for that reason I most recently got 15" thinkpads, so that I can place it as far from me on the compu-table as I possibly can. But I'm still using external keyboard & external corded mouse, both of which are connected to the green/purple PS2/USB converter tat's plugged into my computer.Also, one thing I do know about EMF is that the law of inverse squares does apply. This means that if you double the distance, the EMF drops to 1/4 of the original value. Make the print as large as practical and get as far away from it as you can.s
For all I know, maybe I would do better with a wireless mouse & keyboard, despite what the experts say. On the other hand, maybe it's risky.
I do know for a fact that when roaming with an AM radio (tuned to white noise) - and enter my computer area, there's a loud buzzing whenever it gets near the computer or the modem. The buzzing represents heavy EMFs. It similarly buzzes near every curly-fluresent lightbulb, as well as digital clocks which are on stoves and elsewhere.
EDIT:
Ted Dog - just now noticed Page 2 of this thread. If you type BUMP in response below, that could remind me to take a look at page 2 of this thread, since right now I'm zonked. I noticed you offered alot of solutions, alot of which I'd read of in past, but there's just so much I can do. Nevertheless, I'll take a look. I'd been aware that there's a EMF-free zone somewhere in a NJ military-security zone, but maybe my memory is off, and it's actually in VA.
Thinkpad R52, Intel Pentium M, 1.73ghz, 795MHz, 2gb RAM
NOTE: Please bear with me if responses are delayed due to computer-related health issues and/or distractions. Thanks!
NOTE: Please bear with me if responses are delayed due to computer-related health issues and/or distractions. Thanks!
Re: Who here can relate to EMF-handicapped
Unless it's a metal [Faraday] cage : there is no " EMF-free zone" on Earth because of the radio-waves coming from the sun and other stars, [ aurorae and lightning also generate radio-waves 24/7].Minni wrote:I'd been aware that there's a EMF-free zone somewhere in a NJ
The people who allege they have EMF sensitivity, but who are psychogenic, will report that they feel better in the wilderness where they don't see power-cables and radio-masts : ( the sight of such devices makes them anxious and consequently feel unwell ).
The people who allege they have EMF sensitivity but are organically ill , (e.g. autoimmune), will not benefit from moving into the wilderness, as their illness is "real" and endogenous.
People who allege they have EMF sensitivity cannot demonstrate it : in double-blind trials they cannot tell if a device which emits EMF is on or off. If they were sensitive to it they would be able to tell : EMF sensitivity does not exist.
You're barking up the wrong tree looking for an electronic cause of your health problems ...
http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/swift-blog/2153-electromagnetic-hypersensitivity-still-dubious-.htmlSteven Novella, M.D. wrote:While people who believe they have EHS are really having symptoms, EHS is a distraction from what is really going on. There is sufficient evidence to conclude that EHS is not a genuine distinct clinical syndrome, or at the very least that it is not caused by exposure to EMF. Continuing to promote EHS as if it is a real medical condition is irresponsible, in inexcusable given the easy access to information that is currently available.
If I'm wrong and you actually have this superpower you could make a fortune demonstrating it ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Randi#One_Million_Dollar_Paranormal_Challenge
Ok so we are talking about voltage spikes and their associated fields.
Switchmode power supplies chop up the mains and that cause the moise you here on the radio...light dimmers were notorious for it and the ensuing interference.
What about lightening storms...they generate far more than any piece of electrical or electronic equipment? Only a nuclear device can top that one.
mike
Switchmode power supplies chop up the mains and that cause the moise you here on the radio...light dimmers were notorious for it and the ensuing interference.
What about lightening storms...they generate far more than any piece of electrical or electronic equipment? Only a nuclear device can top that one.
mike
People who allege they have EMF sensitivity cannot demonstrate it : in double-blind trials they cannot tell if a device which emits EMF is on or off. If they were sensitive to it they would be able to tell : EMF sensitivity does not exist.
You are reading into the study more then the Authors. Their tests did not prove a connection. That happens all the time in studies. That is the lack of a finding with the way they tested it. Not that a connection does not occur. Read the full test report they did find something I those self reported EMF suffers had a larger than expected abnormal medical test results.
Also number of other tests did find a connection but others where not able to reproduce so they investigated the methodology and other found issues witb the methodology. That is not a validation or a rejection just a difference of opinion on what are facts and what value exists.
I do have a background in research in the presentation of data and the securing of raw data as it pertains to research. I had no role in interpretation or publishing of such. I have been floored how data looks one way to me and findings of researchers only once.
There is a market for scientific research. When money flows into studies and contain hard methodology choices ( duration very limited ) the LACK of findings are almost guaranteed. That is what I see here. Eariler broad studies find some correlation which panic electronic manufacturers they support many low cost cherrypicked studies with forced very very limited scope and a short time frame. Those studies produce exactly as wanted NO findings.
You are reading into the study more then the Authors. Their tests did not prove a connection. That happens all the time in studies. That is the lack of a finding with the way they tested it. Not that a connection does not occur. Read the full test report they did find something I those self reported EMF suffers had a larger than expected abnormal medical test results.
Also number of other tests did find a connection but others where not able to reproduce so they investigated the methodology and other found issues witb the methodology. That is not a validation or a rejection just a difference of opinion on what are facts and what value exists.
I do have a background in research in the presentation of data and the securing of raw data as it pertains to research. I had no role in interpretation or publishing of such. I have been floored how data looks one way to me and findings of researchers only once.
There is a market for scientific research. When money flows into studies and contain hard methodology choices ( duration very limited ) the LACK of findings are almost guaranteed. That is what I see here. Eariler broad studies find some correlation which panic electronic manufacturers they support many low cost cherrypicked studies with forced very very limited scope and a short time frame. Those studies produce exactly as wanted NO findings.