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Remove extra sfs from BootManager
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PostPosted: Sat 05 Jul 2014, 00:49    Post subject:  Remove extra sfs from BootManager
Subject description: Change our perspective on extra sfs's
 

What shinobar is doing to sfs_load for Slacko6 got me thinking about extra sfs's. From a users perspective, extra sfs's should have nothing to do with booting.

There should be a single utility for loading and unloading extra sfs's, perhaps called something like "Extra sfs loader".
This should be the only way of loading an extra sfs.
Loading an extra sfs should mean, load in now.
Any loaded sfs should remain loaded, until it is unloaded by "Extra sfs loader". This means that the load persists through subsequent boots.
This facility should be available in pupmode=5.

Note: The new sfs_load that shinobar is working on, will have all the capability required for "Extra sfs loader".

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PostPosted: Sat 05 Jul 2014, 07:02    Post subject:  

I never really understood why the simple act of naming the file to match the release ( eg. filename_412.sfs ) and placing it with the main sfs was rejected as a method of controlling what sfs get loaded at boot... a noob like me managed it when I first used linux and it works without needing a save... so i kept it that way....... handy for compiling pfix=ram (though a split second 3kb sfs load and not saving at shutdown works well too) or simply creating a custom system in a few seconds.

But simple is not the puppy way it seems...

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PostPosted: Sat 05 Jul 2014, 13:25    Post subject:  

@mikeb -- let me get this straight --

(1) download an additional SFS to the same folder/partition as the main SFS.
(2) give it the same ending number, so for Slacko 57 non-PAE it would be example_57.sfs.
(3) reboot, and the SFS is recognized and loaded, without any mucking around with SFS-Load or BootManager.

Is that correct?

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PostPosted: Sun 06 Jul 2014, 03:32    Post subject:  

mikeb wrote:
I never really understood why the simple act of naming the file to match the release ( eg. filename_412.sfs ) and placing it with the main sfs was rejected as a method of controlling what sfs get loaded at boot... a noob like me managed it when I first used linux and it works without needing a save... so i kept it that way....... handy for compiling pfix=ram (though a split second 3kb sfs load and not saving at shutdown works well too) or simply creating a custom system in a few seconds.

But simple is not the puppy way it seems...

mike

starhawk wrote:
@mikeb -- let me get this straight --

(1) download an additional SFS to the same folder/partition as the main SFS.
(2) give it the same ending number, so for Slacko 57 non-PAE it would be example_57.sfs.
(3) reboot, and the SFS is recognized and loaded, without any mucking around with SFS-Load or BootManager.

Is that correct?

Wouldn't this mean to rename all the files again and again (or to move them out of the way) to be able to boot with them loaded at boot up or to boot without them loaded at boot up - e.g. ability to do a remaster without all those sfs files included?

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PostPosted: Sun 06 Jul 2014, 11:07    Post subject:  

well starhawk this no longer applies hence my point/rant.

Well moving a file or two compared to fiddling around with a gui that has to rely on a save option being present...but bear in mind below...

Sfs use... have a set that load at boot for commonly used apps...eg thunderbird, GIMP and so on.
Load on the fly those that are used occasionally kept in a separate folder.
Who the hell is moving anything?

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PostPosted: Sun 06 Jul 2014, 12:38    Post subject:  

They should put that feature back in. I can think of so many ways that'd be helpful... like, make an SFS of my default installed stuff. Plunk down a fresh install, copy over the SFS, everything "just works" like Linux should Wink

Why the heck did they ever even take that out?

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PostPosted: Sun 06 Jul 2014, 13:12    Post subject:  

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Why the heck did they ever even take that out?

new features... like those really annoying things added to browsers while loosing useful stuff.

Perhaps its related to the search for everything everywhere approach or use of subfolders, or distrospecs...
Searches used to use ls which is easy peasy to do a pattern match though find should handle that too.

Ok have a gui for users to twiddle with what loads or not (SLAX does that using grub boot parameters) . It also meant sfs ONLY loaded for the intended pup version. I did add a _uni.sfs search for things like open office that worked on many variants.

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PostPosted: Sun 06 Jul 2014, 13:16    Post subject:  

mikeb wrote:
Who the hell is moving anything?

I don't know!

I'm just asking, how do you remaster when all those SFS will load automatically at boot up?

Or how do you avoid the loading at boot up, when you just want to do a remaster?

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PostPosted: Sun 06 Jul 2014, 13:31    Post subject:  

okies remastering.... well for that unique function I find a quick drag and drop to a folder does the trick.. Actually for most sfs they can be unloaded on the fly too (only the devx seems to resist that as it duplicates core files but thats not something thats normally loaded anyway.) ..that's assuming an sfs loader script that does not upset the system.

All things being different, not loading any extra sfs could be added as a boot parameter but there are enough of them now. Otherwise...have a gui for it.

In my particular case the machine that I do remasters on I keep the main sfs only and load others if needed... all the rest have fuller setups.

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PostPosted: Sun 06 Jul 2014, 15:32    Post subject:  

mikeb wrote:
new features... like those really annoying things added to browsers while loosing useful stuff.


You don't need to remove one thing to fit something else in. This is Puppy, everything's small here (well, relatively speaking...), so that's an excuse in my book, rather than a proper reason.

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PostPosted: Sun 06 Jul 2014, 17:01    Post subject:  

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a quick drag and drop to a folder does the trick

That's what I meant by "to move them out of the way".

Quote:
(only the devx seems to resist

So far I haven't got problems unloading the devx - though I'm not using it very often.

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PostPosted: Sun 06 Jul 2014, 17:45    Post subject:  

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So far I haven't got problems unloading the devx - though I'm not using it very often.

hmm the only advantage of loading sfs under the main one..... the duplicate files will be ignored so core files in the devx will not be in use preventing removal...if you understand my meaning.

Of course if replacing a file is intended behaviour that's another matter.
Then its time to invent adrv, bdrv zdrv yodrv, bumdrv, slapdrv and so on....

Not my excuse starhawk.... just pointing out changes that might be a relevant. I notice puppy's shutdown methods becoming just as convoluted.

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PostPosted: Sun 06 Jul 2014, 17:53    Post subject:  

Oh good heavens -- I wasn't mad at you!
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PostPosted: Sun 06 Jul 2014, 17:58    Post subject:  

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Oh good heavens -- I wasn't mad at you!

no I know.... I am a happy bunny and didn't think you were having a go....just adding to my point of there not being an apparent technical reason as such for the change....and my general view of puppy making simple things complicated.

I think we are on the same page on this one.....

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PostPosted: Sun 06 Jul 2014, 18:03    Post subject:  

mikeb wrote:
I think we are on the same page on this one.....


Sounds it Smile

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