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Trouble booting from SD
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Walt52

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PostPosted: Mon 14 Jul 2014, 09:37    Post_subject:  Trouble booting from SD  

After booting from a CD, I set up an SD card to boot from, put a lot of stuff on it, and went to bed. This morning, without putting the CD in, I tried to boot from the SD card, and failed. I put in the CD and tried again, and everything went fine and the SD is mounted. I went in to check to see if it was flagged to boot (it wasn't), and noticed it's fomatted in fat32. I think I need to reformat to ext2 or 3 (does it matter?), but that will erase everything I had put on it , won't it?

And by the way, on this machine you have the choice of booting from USB, removable drive, and something like Broadband. When using the universal boot loader, it gave the option of loading puppy on the SD, but called it "internal". Does that mean it's not seen as a "removable drive"?
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rcrsn51


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PostPosted: Mon 14 Jul 2014, 09:48    Post_subject:  

1. Did you install a bootloader like Grub4Dos on the SD card? FAT32 is OK.

2. It has been my experience that the "Removable Drives" BIOS option does not work with USB or SD devices. The device needs to be detected as a secondary hard drive.
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mikeb


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PostPosted: Mon 14 Jul 2014, 15:03    Post_subject:  

Similar thoughts... was grub or syslinux applied to make it bootable.

I have a machine with a mmc sd reader and its not bootable even though the usb slots are. (does the card reader show as mmc or sd(n) device?)

mike
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Walt52

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PostPosted: Mon 14 Jul 2014, 23:47    Post_subject:  

The label on the slot says "SD/SDIO/MMC" and the machine calls it "mmcblk0". I don't remember having a choice about which format to use in Universal Installer, though I doubt it was FAT32 before: I almost never use Windoze. It doesn't have a boot flag and Gparted won't let me put one in. It says Model: SD SA08G, size: 7.21 GB, path: /dev/mmcblk0, partition tale: loop, heads: 255, Sectors/track: 63, cylinders: 941, Total sectors: 1512432, sector size: 512. It also has one of those yellow triangle caution signs.
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mikeb


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PostPosted: Tue 15 Jul 2014, 04:28    Post_subject:  

Hm might not let you put a boot flag on if its mounted. Boot flags are not needed for such as grub4dos but other methods and some bios might want it.

mmcblk0...ok my lenovo x60s definitely will not boot this device...ie no bio option...does not show in boot selection screen..nada...not allowed...what machine do you have?

mike
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Walt52

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PostPosted: Tue 15 Jul 2014, 18:59    Post_subject:  

Tried to get into the SD card by unmounting, then trying to boot flag it. . .no good. It had the red "mounted" light when I went in, then, after unmounting it, I tried the green "mounted" light, and it still didn't work. There WAS a "warning" sign with it, that said "dosfsck 3.0.7 (24 Dec 2009)/dosfsck 3.0.7 24 Dec 2009, FAT32 LFN". Don't know what that means. Also, what is the difference between the red light mount and the green light mount? And while I'm at it, the little vertical bar on the tool bar on the bottom right. . .that seems to have something to do with available RAM? Since Puppy loads into the machine's older, limited RAM, and I have an SD card with stuff like Thunderbird and Firefox on it, is that going to be a problem?
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mikeb


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PostPosted: Tue 15 Jul 2014, 19:11    Post_subject:  

perhaps its suggesting it needs a file system check but thats only a guess...others might be more familiar with the warning.
mike
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rcrsn51


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PostPosted: Tue 15 Jul 2014, 19:19    Post_subject:  

I would suggest the following. Instead of continuing to fight with this SD card, get a regular flash drive and make it bootable.

The easiest way to do this is with ISObooter.
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partsman

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PostPosted: Tue 15 Jul 2014, 19:25    Post_subject:  

Kinda Looks like the drive was removed while it was still mounted Shocked
Now it is not able to complete a fsck Confused
I have used an SD card before for a puppy but i always formatted it to ext2 ,ext3 ,ext4 Wink
I always put the boot flag on it too !
Now i don't use puppy installer
Always do a manual frugal install followed by installing grub4dos Wink
Works every time Wink

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cthisbear

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PostPosted: Tue 15 Jul 2014, 20:21    Post_subject:  

" It has been my experience that the "Removable Drives" BIOS option
does not work with USB or SD devices "

::::::::::

One of the few laptops etc that I have come across that will boot sd cards
was the old Intel Classmate netbook similar to Barrys' gifted to him by
Intel itself.

http://www.puppylinux.com/baby-laptops/classmate.htm

Ran like a dream....wireless included for my old computer tech
who supplied all my hardware.

Otherwise...most are a dead loss.

It reminds me though....I thought that someone here came up
with a fix to boot SD cards as though they were usbs.

And on the subjject of usbs.
I bought a second hand HP Elite notebook.
Tried every combo to boot my favourite usb.
Was going to give up but plugged another usb in >>instant boot.

Returned home...found another usb port on the other side,
and of course it booted straight away.

Must check my own advice in future...ahem.

Rules for success booting off usbs

http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=780671#780671

Chris.
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partsman

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PostPosted: Tue 15 Jul 2014, 21:13    Post_subject:  

May i ask what puppy version do you have Walt52 ?
What kind of box are you running ?
These will offer more insight of what is happening Wink
I have not tried with some older puppies but newer such as 5.3 and up should be no problem Wink
With the exception of Wary !
Your bios prob will recognize your SD card as a usb so you need to set your bios accordingly Wink
Also as for some older pups see this :
http://bkhome.org/blog/?viewDetailed=01289
Also just my opinion use a linux file system Wink

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mikeb


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PostPosted: Wed 16 Jul 2014, 05:09    Post_subject:  

Agreed... use a usb flash stick.
SD boots ok when seen as sd(n) this one is not.

chkdsk it in windows and use it for something else.

mike
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Walt52

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PostPosted: Wed 16 Jul 2014, 19:50    Post_subject:  

I was using a Dell Inspiron 1501, which had worked pretty well, and Puppy 528. I'd like to be able to boot from and store the data on an SD card. . .I have used the CD and the thumb drive, and they work fine. I'm experimenting with four different machines and three versions of Puppy: Wary, 528, and Slacko. So far I like 528 best. Right now I'm typing this on a Dell Latitude D600, running Slacko.My goal was to get discs, thumb drives and SD cards with each distro to test them AND my ability to make bookable media.I'm learning. . .
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partsman

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PostPosted: Wed 16 Jul 2014, 20:31    Post_subject:  

Walt52 wrote:
I'm learning. . .

Hi Walt52 Very Happy
Me too Wink
One of the best things that makes puppy so Cool is the people in this forum are also super Cool Very Happy
LInux and Puppy are alot like life ! Always learning ! Wink
Like i said the cool people here always willing to lend a hand Wink
That is what makes Puppy so cool ! And why I choose it over any other distro Wink

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mikeb


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PostPosted: Fri 18 Jul 2014, 02:14    Post_subject:  

Always learning...only familiar with the mmc thing after recently getting a lenovo netbook which has it... previously did have a HP (ugh) one which did boot the SD card but thats saw it as /dev/sdb using a usb driver. Even had it booting XP from one.

mike
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