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PostPosted: Thu 03 Nov 2005, 13:56    Post subject:  

Hi Dewdrop,

Today I managed to give Puppy room in a 14Gb partition, and I started to have a look at the whole. I'm new to linux.
There are lot of things I'd like to customize, but I'm still finding my way to linux (I wasted a lot of time programming for Windows...)
Luckily Puppy is friendly and more predictable (intuitive) than other linuxes I tried before.
So hopefully I'll be doing a lot of work for Puppy, but it will take time until I get used to Linux, Puppy, X11, compilers, etc.

Thanks for your offer and suggestion! (I'll have a look at how other distros have done it).

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PostPosted: Fri 04 Nov 2005, 12:11    Post subject: Puppy in other Languages  

Hi OzzyBB and isntfunny.

I plan to post this on both threads since it appears that you 2 don't know or realize that the other one is also working to get Puppy into Spanish.

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Puppy Power - thread is: Puppy in other Languages

Cutting Edge - thread is: Menu in other Languages
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PostPosted: Tue 08 Nov 2005, 14:13    Post subject: translating  

I placed the below code in "" "" (because it is HTML) on the languages page of the wiki
It did not quite work - I got the flags and it was better than the first two translators that I tried from this page . . .
http://labnol.blogspot.com/2005/11/add-language-translation-to-website.html

Maybe someone else will have better luck Smile

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<table width="320"> <tr> <td width="40"><a href="http://www.worldlingo.com/wl/translate?wl_fl=2&wl_url=<$BlogItemPermalinkUrl$>&wl_lp=en-fr"><img alt="Français/French" src="http://photos1.blogger.com/img/43/1633/320/13539949_e76af75976.jpg" height="20" width="30"/></a> </td> <br /><td width="40"><a href="http://www.worldlingo.com/wl/translate?wl_fl=2&wl_url=<$BlogItemPermalinkUrl$>&wl_lp=en-de"><img alt="Deutsch/German" src="http://photos1.blogger.com/img/43/1633/320/13539933_041ca1eda2.jpg" height="20" width="30"/></a> </td> <br /><td width="40"><a href="http://www.worldlingo.com/wl/translate?wl_fl=2&wl_url=<$BlogItemPermalinkUrl$>&wl_lp=en-it"><img alt="Italiano/Italian" src="http://photos1.blogger.com/img/43/1633/320/13539953_0384ccecf9.jpg" height="20" width="30"/></a> </td> <br /><td width="40"><a href="http://www.worldlingo.com/wl/translate?wl_fl=2&wl_url=<$BlogItemPermalinkUrl$>&wl_lp=en-pt"><img alt="Português/Portuguese" src="http://photos1.blogger.com/img/43/1633/320/13539966_0d09b410b5.jpg" height="20" width="30"/></a> </td> <br /><td width="40"><a href="http://www.worldlingo.com/wl/translate?wl_fl=2&wl_url=<$BlogItemPermalinkUrl$>&wl_lp=en-es"><img alt="Español/Spanish" src="http://photos1.blogger.com/img/43/1633/320/13539946_2fabed0dbf.jpg" height="20" width="30"/></a> </td> <br /><td width="40"><a href="http://www.worldlingo.com/wl/translate?wl_fl=2&wl_url=<$BlogItemPermalinkUrl$>&wl_lp=en-ja"><img alt="日本語/Japanese" src="http://photos1.blogger.com/img/43/1633/320/13539955_925e6683c8.jpg"  height="20" width="30"/></a> </td> <br /><td width="40"><a href="http://www.worldlingo.com/wl/translate?wl_fl=2&wl_url=<$BlogItemPermalinkUrl$>&wl_lp=en-ko"><img alt="한국어/Korean" src="http://photos1.blogger.com/img/43/1633/320/13539958_3c3b482c95.jpg"  height="20" width="30"/></a> </td> <br /><td width="40"><a href="http://www.worldlingo.com/wl/translate?wl_fl=2&wl_url=<$BlogItemPermalinkUrl$>&wl_lp=en-zh_cn"><img alt="中文(简体)/Chinese Simplified" src="http://photos1.blogger.com/img/43/1633/320/14324441_5ca5ce3423.jpg" height="20" width="30"/></a> </td> <br /></tr> <br /></table>

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PostPosted: Tue 08 Nov 2005, 15:46    Post subject:  

Hi Lobster,

You want to put those flags, where? In the main page instead of the language names?

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PostPosted: Tue 08 Nov 2005, 15:58    Post subject:  

In the meantime I was playing with it.

This is Puppy wiki's main page translated into spanish: http://www.worldlingo.com/wl/translate?wl_fl=2&wl_url=http://puppylinux.org/wikka/PuppyLinuxMainPage&wl_lp=en-es

... gee, doesn't look as a good translation! (I'd run away in confusion!)

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PostPosted: Tue 08 Nov 2005, 20:26    Post subject:  

Smile Hope it works - you might try altering some of the main page so it translates better - maybe there are less ambiguous ways of using language - sort of 'machine translatable english?
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PostPosted: Tue 08 Nov 2005, 21:18    Post subject:  

I don't think so. Actually I don't trust much on automated translators. To be honest, results are usually disgusting to the reader, if not completely confusing.

Let's have the opinion of our german, portuguese and french friends.

I'd ask gliezl, since she Napakaganda mo ("is very beautiful" according to wikipedia), but I don't think this worldlingo guys translate into philippino. Smile

I was reading that topic about the "official" documentation. I think, MHO is, that documentation should go under wiki's category "documentation", and everything else (help related) under UserContributions, for example.
If you ask me, I'd prefer to start translating the more static things first. So if an official, finite, version of the documentation turns up, I'd prefer to start (and to finish) translating that, both to the /doc and to the wiki.

I'm confident that as Puppy's word spreads, more people wishing to translate will turn up, which will be far better than using automated translators.

Maybe you can put into a page to translators something like this:
"Translators, check this automated translation and choose if you prefer to use it as starting point or not" and a link to the worldlingo's version.
or for users "we don't have a custom translation available for your language yet, but check this automated version out".

Actually, I think there are no good "how can I help" routes to Puppy, are they? Wouldn't be positive a page like that with things to do, or to help with? There you can include different categories of help, translation or even how to make dotpups, for example. What about a competition, with poll included, for people to design the next Puppy's wallpaper? Or one with "what would you like to see in the next version of Puppy?"

My usual usuless thoughts Smile

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PostPosted: Tue 08 Nov 2005, 21:28    Post subject:  

In fact, Lobster, you can yourself give your opinion of the humanly translated into spanish page (good spanish quality), re-translated into english using worldlingo:

http://www.worldlingo.com/wl/translate?wl_fl=2&wl_url=http://puppylinux.org/wikka/SpanishLanguage&wl_lp=sp-en

What do you think? Razz

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PostPosted: Tue 08 Nov 2005, 21:45    Post subject:  

Confused Shocked Yep it is weird - no doubt BUT it makes much more sense than the Spanish.

I can get the gist of it . . .

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PostPosted: Tue 08 Nov 2005, 22:37    Post subject:  

Lobster, I need your help, are you awake? Smile

I've read this snippet: "All you do is download usr_devx.sfs (size 43M), save it to /mnt/home (if /mnt/home is an NTFS partition, you have to do that from Windows), then reboot Puppy -- that's it, you're ready to go"

I followed that, but I see no difference. Where is the stuff? I don't know what would happend after reboot, but I tried different things, even typing into a console prompt "cc" or "gcc", and that doesn't work.
So, I think something is left, at least for me, to that "you're ready to go".
What's missing between "reboot" and "cc program.c"?

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PostPosted: Tue 08 Nov 2005, 22:45    Post subject:  

When did you download usr_devx.sfs ?
From what URL?

The current version here:
ftp://ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/puppylinux/
is for Puppy 1.0.6.

Did you save to c:\usr_devx.sfs ?

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PostPosted: Tue 08 Nov 2005, 23:05    Post subject:  

I downloaded it 1 hour ago, using the attached bittorrent (just rename it from .zip to .torrent).

I'm using a full installation of Puppy Chubby 1.0.5 (it's own partition under grub), so after downloading, I've copied it to /mnt/home as instructed, and then I rebooted.
I don't have a clue of what should I see after that, so to know if it's worked. Should I mount something?
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PostPosted: Tue 08 Nov 2005, 23:24    Post subject:  

that's my torrent file, i think it is for the correct usr_devx.sfs for Puppy 1.0.6 ... i checked the md5sum before i made the torrent file ... if the torrent program is working properly, it does thorough checksums for every chunk it downloads, so usually if your torrent client says it downloaded ok, then it probably did download ok
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PostPosted: Tue 08 Nov 2005, 23:28    Post subject:  

if usr_devx.sfs is working properly, then if you type gcc -v in a console (rxvt) window, it should display the version information ... otherwise, it would display an error message, something like gcc: command not found
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PostPosted: Tue 08 Nov 2005, 23:36    Post subject:  

Thanks GuestToo, I'll try to find a usr_devx.sfs for Puppy Chubby 1.0.5 then, which is my installed version, because the one I've downloaded doesn't work (gcc=command not found).
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