How Many Puppies Are There ?

[tlchost]

Chedder cheese can be any old crap that's from anywhere BUT Chedder Gorge...unless you actually go to the Gorge itself...

now about the lack of cream in 'ice cream' and yoghurt in 'yoghurts'

mike

And Italian Wedding Soup is neither Italian, nor served at weddings.

Insist that your naughahide items are made from genuine naughas.

[I-Dont-Know]

Rather that muck up my previously created Lupsave files and dealing with possible conflicts...

What I am trying to do now is to create a brand new Lupsave file by booting 528.6 without loading any previous Lupsaves, then creating a basic safety boot 528.6_Lupsave file and working solely with that to see if I can get a dual monitor setup. With a clean 5.286 boot up

I followed your suggestion here:

cut and paste quote:

Have you tried the nVidia drivers I compiled especially for lupu 5.2.8.6 and uploaded as both pet packages and sfs files, here:
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 520#739520

end quote

I did the Quickpet Video test and received a version of the driver.
Then I looked at the list you created and selected the closet match.
Loaded the NVidia331.xxxxx.PET;
It got loaded, then after that.... nothing happened after that.
Prompted to restart X, I did, then still no dual monitor.

I'll keep trying and working at it...
With my limited knowledge, I've given this all I can at this point;
I'll just settle back and let this stuff sink in until I get that ahh-ha moment.
Then try it again.

In any event, I have successfully upgraded to 5.286 booting off a USB stick and am enjoying this upgrade so far. I can even reboot into my old 5.25 and use that desktop if I want; (they're both the same desktops)

I have to get to work on my other partition where I need to upgrade Ubuntu 12.10 to 14.X? something; or dump it and go to a simpler LInux; something that will Dual Monitor out of the box. I only use / dual boot to that partiton for purely TV entertainment and Linux fun. Or decide to leave it alone and just use it as is; for TV entertainment. Ubuntu is getting quite bloated these days.

You have been very generous and patient with your help.
Thank you for that.

This forum is very helpful.

[I-Dont-Know]

http://shinobar.server-on.net/puppy/opt/pup5/lupu/



nvidia-glx-331.xx-k2.6.33.2

I went to this site and found the exact Nvidia driver recommended by the QuickPet app. QuickPet / Test Video Card specified this Nvidia driver above.

From the site above I downloaded both the .PET and the SFS.
Installed the PET just by clicking on it - Puppy installed it.
Then I installed the SFS just by clicking on it.

Then after the install, I was prompted to use XorgWizard to select the driver to use.

It is here I get into trouble.
In the list there are two Nvidia choices.
Neither one of them produce any results.
If I select one NVidia, I get a message that the file was moved.
If I choose the other NVidia, I get a message that the file was moved.
So, neither of these two choices produce any results.

From reading all the posts here, I understand some manual editing is involved here. Some cutting and pasting of sections inside my Xconf file.
Located under etc/X11 I guess.

I'm out of my league here.
I see the two sections referred to in these posts.
Under Etc\Xll there are several Xorg.Conf files.
Why don't I upload my Xorg.Conf file here if you'd like to take a look see at mine.

At least i made baby steps today.
I located the correct .PET and SFS for my card.
I just can't get it to do "dual monitor".

At least I'm learning some stuff here if not getting the results I would like to have.

[I-Dont-Know]

My Xorg.Conf file
After loading the correct .PET and SFS, I get prompted to use XorgWizard.
But as I mentioned, I get no results using this.
So I posted my Xorg.Conf file below...




#Special base config file used in Puppy Linux.

# **********************************************************************
# Module section -- this section is used to specify
# which dynamically loadable modules to load.
# **********************************************************************
#
Section "Module"

# This loads the DBE extension module.

Load "dbe" # Double buffer extension

# This loads the miscellaneous extensions module, and disables
# initialisation of the XFree86-DGA extension within that module.
SubSection "extmod"
Option "omit xfree86-dga" # don't initialise the DGA extension
EndSubSection

# This loads the font modules
# Load "type1"
# Load "freetype"

# This loads xtrap extension, used by xrandr
# Load "xtrap"

# This loads the GLX module (if present). xorg 7.4/5 need explicit disable to disable...
Load "glx" #LOADGLX

# This loads dri module (if present). 7.4 loads it by default, have to disable...
Load "dri" #LOADDRI
# Disable "dri"

EndSection

# **********************************************************************
# Files section. This allows default font paths to be set
# **********************************************************************

Section "Files"

# Multiple FontPath entries are allowed (which are concatenated together),
# as well as specifying multiple comma-separated entries in one FontPath
# command (or a combination of both methods)

FontPath "/usr/share/X11/fonts/misc/"
FontPath "/usr/share/X11/fonts/Type1/"
FontPath "/usr/share/X11/fonts/TTF/"

EndSection

# **********************************************************************
# Server flags section.
# **********************************************************************

Section "ServerFlags"

# Uncomment this to disable the <Crtl><Alt><Fn> VT switch sequence
# (where n is 1 through 12). This allows clients to receive these key
# events.

# Option "DontVTSwitch"

# Enables mode switching with xrandr
# There is a report that this can cause Xorg not to work on some
# video hardware, so default is commented-out...
# but i want to use it in xorgwizard so leave on...

Option "RandR" "on"

# With this, Xorg won't talk to HAL to add evdev devices and you'll be back
# with the old Xorg behavior (pre-7.4)...

Option "AutoAddDevices" "false"

# For no-Hal, kirk also suggests this...

# Option "AllowMouseOpenFail" "true"

# Xorg 7.4, Ubuntu Jaunty, CTRL-ALT-BACKSPACE is disabled by default...

Option "DontZap" "false"

EndSection

#everything past here is auto-generated by Puppy's Xorg Wizard...


Section "ServerLayout"
Identifier "X.org Configured"
Screen 0 "Screen0" 0 0
InputDevice "Mouse0" "CorePointer"
InputDevice "Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier "Keyboard0"
Driver "kbd"
Option "XkbRules" "xorg"
Option "XkbModel" "pc102"
Option "XkbLayout" "us" #xkeymap0
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier "Mouse0"
Driver "mouse"
Option "Protocol" "IMPS/2" #mouse0protocol
Option "Device" "/dev/mouse"
#Option "Emulate3Buttons"
#Option "Emulate3Timeout" "50"
Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" #scrollwheel
EndSection

Section "Monitor"
Identifier "Monitor0"
VendorName "Monitor Vendor"
ModelName "Monitor Model"
HorizSync 31-80
VertRefresh 56-72
#UseModes "Modes0" #monitor0usemodes
Option "PreferredMode" "1280x1024"
EndSection

Section "Modes"
Identifier "Modes0"
#modes0modeline0
EndSection

Section "Device"
### Available Driver options are:-
### Values: <i>: integer, <f>: float, <bool>: "True"/"False",
### <string>: "String", <freq>: "<f> Hz/kHz/MHz"
### [arg]: arg optional
#Option "ShadowFB" # [<bool>]
#Option "DefaultRefresh" # [<bool>]
#Option "ModeSetClearScreen" # [<bool>]
Identifier "Card0"
Driver "vesa" #card0driver
VendorName "nVidia Corporation"
BoardName "Unknown Board"
BusID "PCI:4:0:0"
EndSection

Section "Screen"
Identifier "Screen0"
Device "Card0"
Monitor "Monitor0"
DefaultDepth 24
#Option "metamodes" "1280x1024_60 +0+0" #METAMODES_0
Subsection "Display"
Depth 24
Modes "1280x1024"
EndSubsection
EndSection

#PuppyHardwareProfile=NVIDIADELL2001FP

[rerwin]

From the site above I downloaded both the .PET and the SFS.
Installed the PET just by clicking on it - Puppy installed it.
Then I installed the SFS just by clicking on it.

Then after the install, I was prompted to use XorgWizard to select the driver to use.

It is here I get into trouble.
In the list there are two Nvidia choices.
Neither one of them produce any results.
If I select one NVidia, I get a message that the file was moved.
If I choose the other NVidia, I get a message that the file was moved.
So, neither of these two choices produce any results.
. . .
I located the correct .PET and SFS for my card.
I just can't get it to do "dual monitor".

Although I am not sure your loading of both the PET and SFS files relate to what you are seeing, let me clarify about the PET and SFS packages of the driver. They contain the same driver, only in different packaging to let a user use whichever one of them fits best into their installation. They are not intended to work together nor are interdependent. The PET loads into your pupsave, while the SFS file does not -- it becomes part of the layered file system that is the structure of a frugal installation. Use only one. That said, you end up only with the driver represented in 2 of the layers redundantly, but should not interfere with each other.

I am glad you got a good driver for your card. But it will take some tinkering to get dual monitor support. I am of little help in that area. But others have made suggestions to follow, so there's hope. But the trick will be to prevent the xorgwizard from destroying your edited configuration file.

BTW, I assume you are testing with the original lupu and not the supers, because the driver you chose is only for the original lupus, which use the kernel indicated in the driver package name. If you ever migrate to lupusuper2, you will need the driver package for lupusuper2, at the link I posted above, or at least for a driver for the same kernel as used by lupusuper2.

Good luck with your effort.
Richard

[I-Dont-Know]

Just for kicks and giggles, I downloaded an ISO of Precise Puppy 5.7.1, burned it to CD just to see what it looks like......

To my utter amazement......
Right out of the box (er... right out of the ISO), Precise Puppy does "Dual Monitor"..... no after install configuration at all..... no putzing around with finding the correct driver and no futzy xorgwizard to screw up my save file.

Well, well, well..... how about that !
Golly gee whiz....

I think I will keep this Puppy around and develop a desktop for myself with it.

I think I have found myself a solution...
You Puppy developers R.O.C.K.....

Well, I'm not staying up all night tonite..... gonna get a nights rest....

Thank you all... and good night....

mike

[darry1966]

Cool hope you enjoy this new Pup you have found - yep I know what its like to lose sleep over a misbehaving computer.[/img]

[darry1966]

Cool hope you enjoy this new Pup you have found - yep no what its like to lose sleep over a misbehaving computer.

[mikeb]

Just looked at the lupu xorg.conf and this would certainly not help
Driver "vesa" #card0driver
it should be nvidia for starters....
It may also be because the dual driver install messed up and interfere with each other leaving no workable driver so the fallback vesa is used which is very basic and certainly won't do dual monitor.

mike

[I-Dont-Know]

Booted Puppy 5.286 straigtup with NO LupSave File. Clean boot.

Then I loaded an NVidia SFS file I got from an earlier post.
Then after loading that, I think I was prompted to run the NVidia Server Configuration where I was prompted to load the NVidia Driver.

(earlier I was browsing the Nvidia site trying to match up a driver to my video card. I download several of them)


The driver was a linux Nvidia XXX something.run file.
I navigated to this .run file, clicked on it and it loaded.

Then I was prompted to run Xorgwizard.
Did. I didn't do anything special here other than to choose my screen settings; I chose some kind of 1200x768x24 or some such....

Voila'..... I had a dual screen going on.....

Man.... was I excited.... I jumped off the couch....
I could not believe my eyes.... I had found my holy grail...
I got Puppy to "do" dual monitor...

Didn't quite remember what I did to get that....
So I figured, I'd better save this Puppy to a Lupsave file real quick or else I'd muck it up and lose it.

So, I saved it in triplicate.... no kidding.... I saved it 3 times on different drivers.

Then I went to reboot Puppy and selected that Lupsave file I just saved, and to my disappointment, the Lupsave did not load. I was left with the Xwin could not load; so I knew I had to go into Xorgwizard to see what the problem was. I again chose a screen resolution I thought would load and it loaded but without the dual monitor.

What a let down.....

So I tried to replicate what I just did.
I loaded Puppy without a Lupsave file, and tried to replicate what I did to get to a dual monitor... but without any success.....

Tried several times.... no luck...

I had the holy grail of Dual Monitor for about 5 minutes....
And in the blink of creating a save file.... poof... gone !

I thought by creating a save file with the dual monitor, the correct SFS files and the correct driver would be saved inside the Lupsave file !?!

Apparently it didn't.

So... I'll leave it for now and come back another day...

As for the Precise Puppy I had luck with last week doing Dual Monitor, the dual monitor experience was a mirrored dual monitor.....
Both monitors had the same screen output.
I could not configure it to put a spreadsheet on monitor 1 and a website on monitor 2...... still working on that but with no progress..

Alas... I had it but for 5 minutes....
Man was I excited...... for 5 minutes...

[Burn_IT]

I wrote a set of instructions on how to do it a very long time ago with Nvidia drivers.
You might try to find those.
My biggest problem was that my set up was a laptop and an external monitor and the default profile that gets generated makes the external monitor the primary display which meant that when it was not connected I got no screen output at all. I just fiddle it to swap them, which was fine until something wanted to change the file and they were swapped back again even if I didn't touch those settings.

[I-Dont-Know]

Puppy LInux version 5.286

I was using the desktop applet called AppsStarter.Desktop located in
\user\Share\Applications.

The app allows you to customize your own Cloud Apps where it leads you to a location in a TEXT file where you type into a text file your own apps, urls. etc....

I must have overloaded it with a very long url and now the AppsStarter won't execute. Click on it and nothing happens.

Now it is a dead icon on my desktop that won't execute.

How can I find the TEXT file that is associated with this executable so I can edit out the last item I entered in. It must have been my last entry that broke it.

Many Thanks,

I-Dont-Know

[I-Dont-Know]

I answered my own Question.
Soon after submitting my question about breaking the cloud AppsStarter.Desktop, it hit me.... like a big D.U.H. !!!

I needed to find the text file associated with the AppStarter executable.

DUH... Text editor Geany has a menu item Recent Documents....
In there I found the text file I needed..... AppsStarter.Conf....

Found my last entry and edited it out....

It's working again.... Nice !

[I-Dont-Know]

Finally got my Puppy Linux 5.286 to successfully load the correct NVidia Driver to give me a true Dual Monitor.

Rebooted and the dual monitor and driver reloaded.


Taking a break from it for while give the brain time to recover and resurge.

Happy Dude now !

Thanks to the developer of Puppy Lucid 5.286.
And for all the helpulness on this forum.

Thank you all....

[I-Dont-Know]

Enjoying the dual monitor setup. - a lot!

Two oddities resulting:

I did discover that my 'system tray' moved to the 2nd screen.
Nope. Don't want that. I want it on my main monitor because I may want to use the pc without the 2nd monitor in some instances.

I'm thinking the fix lies in Xorgwizard or in the NVidia X Server Setup.

And

My wallpaper stretches over my two screens, so for now, I blanked out the wallpaper. And some of my Icons moved to the 2nd screen. So I simply dragged them to the 1st monitor. Can't drag the system tray though.

[Burn_IT]

That is what I found all that time ago.
See if you can find my explanation from then. If you can't I'll look at the changes I have on my old system and see if I still have the details.

It id a mod to the xorg.conf file which gets reset to what it is now if you use the wizard, so avoid that.
You need to swap the monitor and the digital panel so that the panel is used first.
I never found a way of getting separate wallpapers.
The choices in the NVIDIA settings only seemed to allow the two in clone or merge mode under Linux.

I don't often use the old machine I did it with so it will take some digging.

[I-Dont-Know]

Here is something to report on that System Tray oddity where it moved to the 2nd monitor.

(After backing up my good working Lupsave file)

and after trying out a different XorgWizard resolution and looking around inside the NVidia X-Server Setting app and finding no solution to the oddity....

I looked under Desktop and for kicks I switched my desktop windows manager from Open Box to JWM / Joes Window Manager and this did the trick;
It moved my System Tray to my main monitor.

I dunno why? I'm exploring new features of Puppy almost daily now and having a lot of fun.

I'll try out JWM for a while now.
It's not a pretty as OpenBox, but it seems to work.

I will re-read your suggestion and see if I can implement it.
My main Dell Monitor is using my VGA connection.
My Toshiba Big Screen TV is using the HDMI connection.

Thanks for reading and replying to my posts.

Many Thanks,

[Burn_IT]

In my case it involved a Dell Latitude C840 Laptop? with a 1600x1200 screen and a 1920x1200 Samsung monitor that I won in a competition and has since died.

[Pelo]

I list 185 different ISOs in my Puppythèque, 40 downloaded, 20 in use.
on the other side, the menu does not change a lot, desktop, language and lib 'QT, JRE) are the main differences.

[I-Dont-Know]

Been experimenting making different LupuSave files with Lucid 5.28.6

I I want to change into a different LupuSave file, I do a complete reboot of my computer, select the correct USB stick to boot from and then select the LupuSave file I want to experiment with.

Picky question:

I am using the same Puppy, Lucid 5286
Is it necessary to do a complete reboot of the computer ?
Is there a way to get out of one LupuSave file and load into different one without doing a complete computer reboot ?

Great thanks,
I-Dont-Know,
(mike)