EmSeeV2.3-Cafe-Edition.iso Two Sugars 27/1/15!

[gcmartin]

... Thinking more clearly now I realise that adding a complete set of apps so that nothing more need be added, means there is no real need to leave the devx files in the main sfs! ... .

NO, NO, NO!

Dont 2nd guess yourself. The beauty you have made for us, newbies or experienced, users or developers, is that "WE" don't have to add, search, or resurrect anything to use this distro to ANY benefit we would need.

Further, you have also provided us with utilities and subsystems that allow us to tailor this system to our likings, should anyone want.

This is what makes this a marvelously humble approach in 2014 with the world having come to this point in technology that many/most have in today's homes.

You have done us all a BIG favor with this, and it allow everyone of us to think as we explode the benefits we continue to find in this distro. This is a complete work! It is showing us how performance and functionality can be BOTH in a PUP.

Members are already seeing that they can boot it in 32bit mode or 64bit mode with their data and their content present in either case. So much ever present in this distro for all of us to witness. I am sure some distro developers are already thinking about how to take this to the next level.

@StemSee, CONGRATULATIONS!!! ... again.

[stemsee]

@GCMartin

Ah Ha!

Back to my original thought.!!

There are already enough slim puppies out there, let's keep a few St.Bernards with their brandy barrels at the ready ... !

Big pups are, indeed, my breed!

@Mavrothal

I have added code to EmSeeV2.3 - re-touched which with the click of a button in the tray nearest the menu button removes all icons from the desktop, and click again to restore. Is that what you wanted??

EmSeeV2.3 (should be 2.4 but I can't be bothered to rename it) slimmed down without loss of functionality (1.6GB). Added show/hide icons button (or terminal command nicons), stable sfs-direct-remaster and sfs-unattended-remaster at V4.7 (15/11/14), Bash reference Manual/tutorials, small improvements here and there. Recommended to download. This is probably my last revision of this distro at V2.*

Ready in the morning.

Stemsee out!

[mavrothal]

@Mavrothal

I have added code to EmSeeV2.3 - re-touched which with the click of a button in the tray nearest the menu button removes all icons from the desktop, and click again to restore. Is that what you wanted??

Yeh, having the 2 ends is something, butyou may want to look at some old utilities that may make your life easier.
Desksetup curerntly at v 0.7 (or v 0.8-international) is the first one. I guess you could customize it for next version so all the arrangements for different resolutions could be there (ie 1440X900-full).
Another one is a simple configurable 2nd JWM panel that could be modified to generate a "game panel" a "media panel" etc.
For now the original versions of both may do.

[stemsee]

Here it is EmSeeV2.3-re-touched.iso; slim (1.6gb), compressed maximally, new= show/hide icons works globally, also upgrades to some apps/scripts.

see first post 2/12

[Jasper]

It has died on me three times (each time within 20 minutes). Further, it (the 1.6 GB version) was slowish to boot and painfully slow to use.

The speed might be significantly improved using the 2.1 GB version and/or better hardware specs which, hopefully, would also rectify the instability.

It provides much that I do not want and lacks much that I do want and my personally tailored version of Precise 5.6 is, for me, infinitely superior.

I shall be interested to read the views of other testers (whether seasoned Puppy users (expert and/or experienced), newcomers and those in between).

My regards

[stemsee]

@Jasper, Good to hear from you dude!

Sorry to hear your disappointment. What do you need that it lacks? I have only two different laptops to test on and I ran them for hours without issues! One core i3 8gb the other core i5 3gb.

Yes this slim one is noticeably slower to load and open apps, as stated prior to upload.

You have been a forum member much much longer than I, and no doubt you have your own personally customized distro tailored for your needs and because of that it is infinitely superior to you... this is tailored for mine and any like me, who flit between creative writing, recording guitar and vocals, editing the holiday videos, programming the cheap usb foot pedal (yep that's in there), constantly remastering, and also the usual internet stuff, mail, skyping in-laws, and buying from ebay, internet banking, posting to forums, and what not. My 5 year old son gets along with it fine, and easily finds his apps on the desktop or in the menu. So if even one other person gets some use out of it then 'sharing' it was worth it, because I was going to make it anyway. I expect some incompatibility issues and difference in tastes.

Also this is dated now, and trailing behind the likes of BK's Utopic Unicorn and 666Philb's Trusty Tahr, both really polished distros. That makes me wonder if you have tried either of those, and how did they compare? Are you looking to upgrade?

Even so my next project is to tidy up EmSeeV1 (simply because I now know better how to) and share it as well. Tthat might suit your tastes better as it is based on precise 5.7.1 by BK. However there is much much more in there in every category, and a lot of tweaks for audio work! DebianDog is another exquisitely crafted small distro definitely worth your efforts to acquire and learn. My usb cruzer extreme @ 16gb always has a FatDog a DebianDog an EmSee a Tahr and a Slacko (studio1337 an exceptional distro).

[Sylvander]

Today I made a DVD+RW using EmSeeV2.3.iso

Booted it on my 2012 desktop PC.
At 1st glance, all is looking good so far.
I was surprised at how quickly it booted.
Ran just fine once at the desktop.
Took a look around, made a few config changes.
Chose to not save any changes at this point.
Will explore it further tomorrow.

[Jasper]

Some better news to report is that having deleted the original save folder I have been using the 2.3 (1.6 GB edition) for more than two hours without an irreversible lockup (having test-rebooted a few times).

I have installed my desired version of SeaMonkey with ease (though from a little knowledge rather than any assistance found via the menu).

I persevered because there was no suggestion that my machine specs are too low (although my signature was not read thoroughly - re Quirky unicorn). However, it remains unusably slow for other than testing, but I'll spend an hour downloading the 2.1 GB edition and report back within a few days.

[Sylvander]

Problem-1
a. When I boot my DVD+RW, and choose boot menu item-3 = 64-bit version [on my 64-bit desktop PC hardware]...
And [once at the desktop] go to reboot...
I'm offered the choice to "save" or "no"...
When I hit the right-arrow key [or TAB], to highlight/select "no", nothing happens, so I cannot execute/choose that.
I'm forced to hold the on/off button [to power off].

b. This problem doesn't happen when I choose menu item-2 = 32-bit PAE version.

[Jasper]

The 2.3 (2.1 GB edition) would not boot from my DVD+RW despite the MD5 sum agreed (either with or without the save folder made from the 1.6 GB edition ).

From my earlier tests with the 1.6 GB edition I comment:
I prefer SeaMonkey (as previously reported) and the only game I ever use is draughts (aka chequers). Also, I use some 40 Windows/Wine apps, but whilst Wine is included I found no apps or Wine menu. Parcellite was not included.
I did not manage to have both the included desktop icons and my drive icons on the desktop at the same time plus I had to restart x to recover the drive icons.
Further, I do not like having all my partitions mounted on boot completion.

Of course all user choices are personal, so I find it hard to believe many, if any, would prefer my choices - and I find it hard to believe that too many will be overjoyed with yours - I would even find it surprising if many gamers would be well pleased.

The way I use my Precise 5.6 multi-session-CD is likely unique and for me unbeatable as regards speed (except for a 60 second boot), safety, security, backup, and recovery (if ever needed). Everything runs in RAM (with some 90 sfs apps available). Since we both use ROX and JWM I could doubtless duplicate my multiple-menu-choices and, to some extent my methods, on your 2.1 GB edition - if I had the patience to make it work, but, for me, that would be a pointless exercise.

Because you asked, I have added a few screen shots to give you a flavour of the way my Precise 5.6 Puppy works.

My regards

[steevieb]

Tried 32bit version and got kernel panic.(2.4gb version)
Using 64bit version does work.
It does find my scsi drives, but thinks they are usb flash drives.
They are usable once booted, though.
Also, at shutdown, I cannot make a save file.
On the shutdown dialog, the location it is saving to is blank.
I have a feeling it is trying to save to the dvd.

[stemsee]

@Jasper

I think you should remaster it and share it. I am sure others, not just me, would like to try it out!

@Sylvander
I replicated that problem. But start up >Menu>Utility>SFS-Unattended-Remaster
Choose option 7 ... to create a savefile. Or in terminal type shutdownconfig, let's you create a save file too, without shutting down.

I have remastered again with the third possible compression option ' -comp xz' @1.8gb
much more responsive. Also updated/added some small apps, three of my own.

1) Setup-MultiPins - PuppyPins for every res!
2) Autores - Change puppypins per resolution
3) Show/Hide-icons - improved to keep the wallpape/per puppyin/mutlipin.
4) Stemsees-remastering-suite-v4.8
5) Frugalinstaller
6) MultiPuP CD/DVD creator
7) Screen Magnifier - on iconified desktop or on wine c_drive

Available tomorrow!

[stemsee]

2/12/-2014
1.8gb xz compressed, new apps + improvements.
see first post for links

[nic007]

Instead of including all those apps, wouldn't it be better just to make the sfs's/pets of all those apps that work on your system available seperately so that people can choose which they would like to use and install? Just a thought.

[stemsee]

@nic007

EDIT: This is based on DpupWheezy which I built using woof-CE and I released it to the community as a standard puppy without my customisations nor devx built in.
So I can say that I already did what you asked a while ago.

See here
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=93957


That has been mentioned before. At the moment there is an internet cafe which uses my distro off of a live dvd. When a pc is free they walk around with one dvd and boot the pc off of it then remove then dvd, and go to another one as one person finishes their session. Can you see that the normal way of packaging apps separately would not be as convenient. Those pcs need no hard drive!

Secondly loading and unloading sfs files, is good for those rarely used apps! But the apps you use frequently?

Thirdly almost every other puppy distro is the way you suggest, my distro is different for the right reasons.

Fourthly it is the way I like it!!

Fifthly ... I challenge you to build such a distro, so that I too may offer positive criticism to you.[/url]

[stemsee]

Just for info

I use scan over wifi to my canon mg3200 - I com[iled and included the latest xsane backend which works a treat with improved interface features. And print over wifi aswell.

And for android devs adb is included. In fact I may have included the entire android sdk ... There are so many hidden features and apps, some really obscure and specialist stuff that I added but didn't keep a record of, and since have forgotten! So just try first before installing it may already be there without a menu entry!!

That is one of my many failings! There is much more here than is apparent. "He who seeks shall find. He who doesn't seek shall be none the wiser!"

[nic007]

@nic007

EDIT: This is based on DpupWheezy which I built using woof-CE and I released it to the community as a standard puppy without my customisations nor devx built in.
So I can say that I already did what you asked a while ago.

See here
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=93957


That has been mentioned before. At the moment there is an internet cafe which uses my distro off of a live dvd. When a pc is free they walk around with one dvd and boot the pc off of it then remove then dvd, and go to another one as one person finishes their session. Can you see that the normal way of packaging apps separately would not be as convenient. Those pcs need no hard drive!

Secondly loading and unloading sfs files, is good for those rarely used apps! But the apps you use frequently?

Thirdly almost every other puppy distro is the way you suggest, my distro is different for the right reasons.

Fourthly it is the way I like it!!

Fifthly ... I challenge you to build such a distro, so that I too may offer positive criticism to you.[/url]

I see your dpupwheezy or whatever is also over 405MB so no thanks for me. I'm quite happy wlth my own puplet called nicOS which is based on Puppy 4.12, is only 100MB and includes java and wine. Each to his own I suppose, no need to get all up in arms.

[stemsee]

Fair enough!
There was a previous Dpup Wheezy I made at under 100mb too! But without wine and java, so that is impressive @nic007. Where can I download nicOS?

Screenshot for the scanning over wifi and other apps! Screen Magnifier, MultiPup, Sane, SFS-Unattended-Remaster Menu.

[gcmartin]

2 items in this post that I hope is helpful to the community.

First
One other member, @Pemasu, was 'EXPRESSLY" open with his distro offerings to Puppyland. He expressed (in my words) that his distro was "his". He always was helpful but, he did write in his offerings that it was intended for himself and his needs. Many still use and carry-on his works, today with all the merits that is found there. At the time of his presence on the forum, his distros did NOT match the size of some PUPs of the time.

We must understand that @StemSee is offering a distro which, too, provides some vision which is NOT traditional, too. The PC arena has changed so significantly, that this offering DOES HAVE A LOT OF MERIT.

For those who are appalled at its size, would you allow him the courtesy to present this option for evaluation.

Already some of the feedback from traditionalists have resulted in improvements in this, thus far.

Second
Another member did present a distro too, Lighthouse Mariner by @TaZoC, where in his approach, he presented a method of SFS stacking that was an element of beauty as it too departed from PUP sizes and ,yet, provided some PUPPY architectural extensions. Some/much of his work was so far ahead of the past PUP distros, that many developers are still scratching their heads.

Those who develop and prefer SFSs would be overwhelmed (I think) in review of his Mariner edition with its hidden gems. But, what made @TaZoC was the wealth of information he presented to help understand the architecture of some of his internals in the distro. His explanation for HIS SFS implementation is found here. So far, not one developer has achieved this level of parity, but, collectively this community has been instrumental in the maturity that PUPPY Linux has achieve thus far with all of its innovations.

BTW: @TaZoC has posted about the current state of his health, here (see News item #1).

Those who can help in his Puppy forum's thread, would be appreciated. I think it would take a trio of members to replicate his distro with today's modern versions and builder tools that have come into play since his work, from almost 18months ago. Both he and @01Micko produced 64bit Puppy-Slackware based versions in about the same time frame.

Summary
Lots of good ideas as well as system resolutions are forthcoming in this thread.

@StemSee
If EmSee contains "dnsmasq", this distro is only one script away from having a menu item which the Live disc on one PC can "serve" boot image(s) to any/all PCs in the Internet Cafe (or a home or a school or a Library or ...) This is built-in, for example, in the base of Lighthouse64.

Here to help

[stemsee]

@gcmartin

Thanks for your perspective, with a very balanced and well considered take on things, more so than previously.

I have a knack of upsetting people who to me seem to have the solution in their own hands but lack application or the intelligence to realize that fact. I have little patience for those who rest on their laurels and do not make a thorough investigation of the faults I indicate in their works - pride-ego-status- such things preventing them from accepting my work! No matter, all will be resolved eventually, perche tutto e a posto e Dio datto!!

stemsee