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peebee


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PostPosted: Sun 14 Dec 2014, 13:51    Post subject:  LxPup64 - 64bit versions of Puppy with the LXDE desktop
Subject description: derivatives of Slacko64 and Quirky-April64
 

3-march-15 - QuirkyApril64 flavour added - see this post


Updated 8-mar-15

LxPup64-15.03.01-hybrid.iso

THIS IS EXPERIMENTAL & BASED ON ALPHA SLACKO64 SO USE WITH CAUTION

LxPup64 - a 64bit version of Puppy with the LXDE desktop
a derivative of Slacko64 Alpha (Slacko64-5.9.1) produced by 01micko
but with kernel 3.17.4 as produced by 666philb for TahrPup64

Built using the Porteus-3.0.1 64bit LXDE module, but with updated components: OpenBox, PCManFM + libfm, LxPanel, LxAppearance from pkgs.org

Includes a 64-bit version of pup-volume-monitor

Security components openssl, bash and wget have also been updated

Includes gyro's savefolder updates

Gnumeric bug fix as identified on the Slacko64 thread is included

64 bit Chromium sfs can be added

Known problem areas are listed in the next post

Feedback welcomed
Cheers
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PostPosted: Sun 14 Dec 2014, 13:51    Post subject: Known problem areas
Subject description: updated 31-12-14 for LxPup64-14.12.01-hybrid
 

Major problem is that xorgwizard does not work in Slacko64 Alpha meaning that if your graphics doesn't work OOTB there is no fallback possible

There are also problems with installers mentioned on the Slacko64 Alpha thread so only recommended install method is a manual frugal install

Firewall setup doesn't work - seems to be problems with grep etc - see attached errors (false .gz)

CD/DVD don't display in pcmanfm (don't know why not...) but can be mounted and dismounted using pmount in the Filesystem menu

Ted Dog has reported that GPT disks are not shown in PcManFM on a uefi boot.

Not possible to select from multiple savefolders/savefiles if using a usb keyboard that needs a special driver - some generic usb keyboards will work

My nvidia graphics only partially works with the nouveau driver - web browsers can cause a system crash

A few Porteus bits may be present in the menu that don't work

Not exactly a problem, but the panel in this version is LxPanel rather than LxPanelX so it behaves a little differently to the panel in 32-bit LxPup.
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PostPosted: Sun 14 Dec 2014, 19:52    Post subject:  

mirrored here: http://archive.org/download/Puppy_Linux_Lxpup/LxPup64-14.12.00.iso

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PostPosted: Tue 16 Dec 2014, 14:37    Post subject: Cups  

Nice... fast... should work out to be a very solid distro! Keep after it!

Just started testing the 64 version, only major problem I encountered so far is 'CUPS' printer setup. It seems it can't find the http://localhost:631 for a setup (using the hplip_64 from the PPM on- hp-1150 410 all-in-one printer)

On with testing.....

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PostPosted: Wed 17 Dec 2014, 16:28    Post subject: LxPup64  

Hi PeeBee,

Any chance for UEFI boot on this one ? That would be awesome !!
I lost my last PC last week, and got a W8.1 (UEFI) laptop. I would love to run Puppy again, but only have MBR booting LxPups...

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PostPosted: Thu 18 Dec 2014, 05:24    Post subject: Re: LxPup64  

Volhout wrote:
Any chance for UEFI boot on this one ?
Volhout

Hi Volhout

The question of Puppy & UEFI boot needs much greater brain power than I possess Crying or Very sad

AFAIK the only "Puppy" that's tackled the problem and got a solution is FatDog64??? But that's significantly different in build techniques to the Woof-CE Puppies that form the base of LxPup.....not even sure that there are any FatDog derivatives.....are there?

There will be a UEFI boot Woof-CE Puppy someday no doubt - but I'll have to rely on cleverer people to produce it.

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PostPosted: Thu 18 Dec 2014, 15:46    Post subject: Re: LxPup64  

Hello @Volhout

You are not the only one who has had PC loss over the past weeks. I powered off a PC that had been running flawlessly for over a year only to find on my rebooting it a week later that the RAM failed. And cost of RAM replacement exceeds the cost of a newer 64bit PC.

In any event, I have had success helping others in booting LightHouse64 "Mariner" edition oN recent UEFI PCs & laptops.

Its a 2 step process where you first employ a minor UEFI change to recognize the distro on media as valid (this is done ONLY one for either distro),then booting LH64 or FATDOG.

Look at this site as complete details are present. (Dont be afraid of the warning of it not being maintained. The PUP thread is still active and the distro is still a working marvel on 64bits.) And, I might add, I have never installed either a FD or LH64 on any/anyone/s PC as I traditionally run via DVDs with sessions saved to DVD...even on my .64bit laptops.

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PostPosted: Sat 20 Dec 2014, 02:04    Post subject: LxPup64  

Firewall doesn't survive on reboot or even cold startup!

My Confg: Boot from CD, savefile on HDD.

CD/DVD not showing up in directory-tree (says there are no subfolders... not able to get any info there.

Good so far: Graphics excellent and it's super fast!

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PostPosted: Sun 21 Dec 2014, 03:20    Post subject:  

Can't get it started. Manual frugal install into own subdirectory /lxpup64, edited menu.lst accordingly, booted, throws error saying it can't find puppy_lxpup64_14.12.sfs. Moved file to root of partition, still the same. Method worked fine for all puppies yet, including slacko64 (actually used the grub-entry of slacko64 and edited the subdir only). Any boot parameters to point the boot process directly to the SFS?
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PostPosted: Sun 21 Dec 2014, 05:39    Post subject:  

chiron² wrote:
Can't get it started. Manual frugal install into own subdirectory /lxpup64, edited menu.lst accordingly, booted, throws error saying it can't find puppy_lxpup64_14.12.sfs. Moved file to root of partition, still the same. Method worked fine for all puppies yet, including slacko64 (actually used the grub-entry of slacko64 and edited the subdir only). Any boot parameters to point the boot process directly to the SFS?


Presumably grub4dos??

Works fine for me - this is my menu.lst entry that works for 99% of puppies frugal install on HD:
Code:
title Main (sda2/pupmain)
  uuid 91e027f5-cb6e-40fe-964c-76f2e2971845
  kernel /pupmain/vmlinuz  pmedia=atahd psubdir=pupmain pfix=fsck
  initrd /pupmain/initrd.gz

Get the uuid from blkid in a terminal

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PostPosted: Mon 22 Dec 2014, 08:19    Post subject: Re: Reserved
Subject description: Known problem areas
 

peebee wrote:
Not possible to select from multiple savefolders/savefiles if using a usb keyboard
Some work, some don't.

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PostPosted: Tue 23 Dec 2014, 06:55    Post subject:  

See updated post#2

@sszindian:

cups - fix pet in post#2
firewall - setup gives errors (also in Slacko64)
cd/dvd - pmount can be used

@gyro: clarified usb keyboard problem in post#2

@Volhout & @gcmartin:
LH64 has taken the Fatdog64 hybrid iso as the basis of an LH64 hybrid iso as I understand it - I guess it might be possible to do similar for LxPup64 but it would be trial and guesswork to work out what needed to be changed unless we can get guidance from Jamesbond and Kirk. I don't have a uefi pc to test on....any volunteers to try this??

@ally - many thanks - hope there are health warnings that this is very much an experimental alpha derivative.....

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PostPosted: Tue 23 Dec 2014, 12:57    Post subject:  

Will download and check if compatible with Fatdog64 efi bootloader idea. If it does I will cull the code from FD64 remaster script you will need.

Like the idea of this ..
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PostPosted: Tue 23 Dec 2014, 13:22    Post subject:  

peebee wrote:


Presumably grub4dos??



Actually, no, just plain grub.It got installed many years ago by openSUSE, and I adapted it to all kinds of puppies.

The psubdir did the trick. Booted straight to X, resolution fine, looks pretty good, and quick. Only problem is, and it was the same with slacko64, it doesn't remember static IP settings, instead gives an error saying unrecognized format and blanks the entry fields for static IP and Gateway. In Network wizard that is. Used Frisbee in Slacko64, but that again gave a behaviour I didn't like.

Stellarium and libre office SFS from Fatdog work.
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PostPosted: Tue 23 Dec 2014, 14:06    Post subject:  

Code:

      mkisofs -iso-level 4 -D -R -o $OUTPUT -b isolinux.bin -no-emul-boot -boot-load-size 4 -boot-info-table \
      -eltorito-alt-boot -eltorito-platform efi -b efiboot.img -no-emul-boot "$tmp_isoroot"      

      isohybrid -u $OUTPUT

*** grub.cfg **
Code:

insmod png
background_image /fatdog.png <<of course change this..
set timeout=10
menuentry "Start LxPup64 Frugal" {
   linux (hd0,msdos1)/LxPup64/vmlinuz
   initrd (hd0,msdos1)/LxPup64/initrd.gz
}
menuentry "Start LxPup64 " {
   linux /vmlinuz
   initrd /initrd.gz
}
menuentry "Shutdown" {
   halt
}
menuentry "Reboot" {
   reboot
}


need to borrow isohybrid from FatDog, also efiboot.img
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