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Wary64, very small, for x86_64 CPUs
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BarryK
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PostPosted: Tue 10 Feb 2015, 19:44    Post subject:  Wary64, very small, for x86_64 CPUs
Subject description: A new Quirky puplet, compiled totally from source
 

Wary64 is a variant of April64, a Quirky puplet aiming for very small size. Why I need such small size these days, I'm not so sure, but it is fun to do -- download is just 110.8MB, with a fully-featured distro, having "everything that you would want".

Wary64 has the same code-base as April64, just a bit cut-down. They are both compiled totally from source, using T2.
Read my blog for the history and latest news about this -- both T2 and woofQ (my Quirky build system) are provided, so anyone can reproduce what I have done, compile packages from source, then build April64 and Wary64, or i686 or other CPU variant.

Here is the announcement, with download links, on my blog:
http://bkhome.org/news/?viewDetailed=00170

The download file is provided as an image that can be written to a drive or partition. There is also an image specifically for a 8GB Flash drive -- this is "Method D" in the install instructions, which is recommended if you are using a distro other than Puppy, or one of the earlier puppies.
Here are the install instructions:
http://distro.ibiblio.org/quirky/quirky6/amd64/wary-6.98/install-quirky.htm

I do intend to create a live-CD soon.

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don570


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PostPosted: Tue 10 Feb 2015, 19:49    Post subject:  

Fast download site
http://ftp.nluug.nl/os/Linux/distr/quirky/quirky6/amd64/wary-6.98/

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Billtoo


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PostPosted: Tue 10 Feb 2015, 20:22    Post subject: Wary64, very small, for x86_64 CPUs  

Installed to a 32gb sdhc card, pc is an emachines D620 laptop.

video-info-glx 1.5.3 Tue 10 Feb 2015 on Quirky Wary64 6.98 Linux 3.17.4 x86_64
5.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RS690M [Radeon X1200 Series]
oem: ATI ATOMBIOS
product: RS690 01.00

X Server: Xorg Driver: modesetting
X.Org version: 1.16.2
dimensions: 1280x800 pixels (338x211 millimeters)
depth of root window: 24 planes

AMD Athlon(tm) Processor 2650e
Core 0: @1596 MHz

Memory 1795MB (70MB used)
Network controller Broadcom Corporation BCM4312 802.11b/g < not
supported so using wired network.

I couldn't get xine to play a movie dvd until I installed a xine-ui pet
that I made in an earlier April64 installation.

EDIT: I tried another install on a faster computer and xine worked okay, it took a few seconds or so of the drive spinning but the movie dvd did start.
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ally


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PostPosted: Tue 10 Feb 2015, 21:03    Post subject:  

mirrored here: http://archive.org/details/Puppy_Linux_Wary64

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don570


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PostPosted: Tue 10 Feb 2015, 21:04    Post subject:  

Can the fatdog version of xine work??
http://distro.ibiblio.org/fatdog/pets/600/Xine-1.2.2.pet
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PostPosted: Tue 10 Feb 2015, 22:42    Post subject: Re: Wary64, very small, for x86_64 CPUs
Subject description: A new Quirky puplet, compiled totally from source
 

BarryK wrote:
Wary64 is a variant of April64, a Quirky puplet aiming for very small size. ....
I do intend to create a live-CD soon.


Yes! Thank You!
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gcmartin

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PostPosted: Tue 10 Feb 2015, 23:32    Post subject:  

Thanks @BarryK. Really nice creative approach with this and the DEVX PET via PPM.

On a separate note of the items you provide
  • is there a utility that will take an image and create an ISO?
  • Or, is it required to build the ISO from scratch via WOOFQ?
Curious (so this is NOT a question of any priority)

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PostPosted: Wed 11 Feb 2015, 01:02    Post subject:  

Fresh install.Seems to be working well.

Should be a good fit on some older 64 bit hardware.....there were many 64 bit machines sold with 1Gb of ram.

Code:
# report-video
VIDEO REPORT: Quirky Wary64, version 6.98

Chip description:
VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation Device 0a65 (rev a2)

Requested by /etc/X11/xorg.conf:
  Resolution (widthxheight, in pixels): 1024x768x16
  Depth (bits, or planes):              24
  Modules requested to be loaded:       dbe

Probing Xorg startup log file (/var/log/Xorg.0.log):
  Driver loaded (and currently in use): nv
  Loaded modules: dbe extmod fb kbd modesetting mouse shadow

Actual rendering on monitor:
  Resolution:  1440x900 pixels (381x238 millimeters)
  Depth:       24 planes

...the above also recorded in /tmp/report-video


Code:
-Computer-
Processor      : 2x AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 5200+
Memory      : 4054MB (182MB used)
Operating System      : Unknown distribution
User Name      : root (root)
Date/Time      : Tue 10 Feb 2015 11:00:47 PM CST
-Display-
Resolution      : 1440x900 pixels
OpenGL Renderer      : Unknown
X11 Vendor      : The X.Org Foundation
-Multimedia-
Audio Adapter      : HDA-Intel - HDA NVidia
Audio Adapter      : HDA-Intel - HDA NVidia
wary 64.jpg
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PostPosted: Wed 11 Feb 2015, 01:27    Post subject:  

A 32 bit "equavalent" will be nice. I have a 1.7GHz, 384Mb RAM machine and am running 412, 431 and Wary but hey we have to move with the times. Smile Being able to do a frugal install like with the older puppies will round it off nicely.
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PostPosted: Wed 11 Feb 2015, 03:00    Post subject: There are apparent issues with HDDs, now here in WARY64  

To all. Be Aware! I have had a hiccup with system access my HDD with NTFS. This is a 2nd such occurance and this happened on a completely different 64bit PC (my personal one, this time). There is a potential problem with this distro as well with a system's HDD. This may cause loss of your data. With April64, I lost a partition using that system's tools.

Nothing has been added, as the running desktop is pristine, save for FirstRUN setup and Connect being run for LAN service.

Initially, clicking to open a 1TB partition on the system's HDD, WARY opened a folder for all partitions on the HDD. Closing the ROX window and clicking a 2nd partition onthe HDD, caused the icons for the drive to disappear from the desktop.

Request to development
Something is amiss.
  • What is wanted to gather data for evaluation?
  • Is there any explanation for what occurred?
I will let this system idle for only 12hours awaiting instructions before abandoning.

Further, this system has approx 4000 data, documents, and media files on the HDD. I have been using LH64 & FATDOG on this PC for several years with no hint of problems. Most recently I had FATHouse running. LH has the updatedb commands which makes file "locate" immediate. updatedb, locate, slocate is still missing as we move to 64bit PCs with massive HDDs.
Code:
# fdisk -l

Disk /dev/sdb: 1.4 TiB, 1500301910016 bytes, 2930277168 sectors
Units: sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
Disklabel type: dos
Disk identifier: 0x55e655e6

Disk /dev/sdc: 1.9 GiB, 2020904448 bytes, 3947079 sectors
Units: sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
Disklabel type: dos
Disk identifier: 0xd6ca7880

Device    Boot     Start       End  Blocks  Id System
/dev/sdc1 *         2048     34815   16384   6 FAT16
/dev/sdc2          49152   3817471 1884160  83 Linux

This is being posted from the Wary64 PC. Notice, below, that the HDD is missing, NOW, from the desktop.
capture30375.png
 Description   HDD has dropped from sight of desktop for no other reason than clicking for partition display in ROX.
 Filesize   30.91 KB
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capture7427.png
 Description   mount icon from desktop show that HDD is no longer a part of the running system.
 Filesize   17.91 KB
 Viewed   1615 Time(s)

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PostPosted: Wed 11 Feb 2015, 03:47    Post subject:  

Quote:
Why I need such small size these days, I'm not so sure

Quote:
A 32 bit "equavalent" will be nice.

Yes, there are probably more challenged 32bit machines in need of landfill avoidance? In which case, Opera will save you a few bytes and accelerate your searching. An .iso might be more appropriate for that. And, to be safe, a non-pae is all that would be required.
Will there be an RPi2 version soon? There will be a 2+ along, too, although a 3 is still on the drawing board, allegedly (in this industry, that probably means research samples have already been fabbed).
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PostPosted: Wed 11 Feb 2015, 04:50    Post subject:  

It is my first 64bit approach. It works on my only linux laptop by a dd install on a 8Gb flashdrive. Thanks.

Code:
# report-video
VIDEO REPORT: Quirky Wary64, version 6.98

Chip description:
VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile GME965/GLE960 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 0c)
Display controller: Intel Corporation Mobile GME965/GLE960 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 0c)

Requested by /etc/X11/xorg.conf:

Probing Xorg startup log file (/var/log/Xorg.0.log):
  Driver loaded (and currently in use): intel
  Loaded modules: dbe extmod kbd mouse present synaptics

Actual rendering on monitor:
  Resolution:  1280x800 pixels (338x211 millimeters)
  Depth:       24 planes

...the above also recorded in /tmp/report-video
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Filename  info.png 
Filesize  115.67 KB 
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PostPosted: Wed 11 Feb 2015, 05:32    Post subject:  

Quote:
aiming for very small size. Why I need such small size ..but it is fun to do -- download is just 110.8MB, with a fully-featured distro,

Originally, there were two objectives driving small sized liveCD distros. In Japan, credit card CDs were very popular, especially as they could carry the company logo as well as contact details on the obverse. These were limited to around 50-80Mb. John's (only) foray produced a very excellent Puppy with Opera which I still use occasionally. Then, peripherals manufacturers, in particular, went through a phase of distributing drivers on 8cm discs - some still do. These can hold ~80-120Mb? They failed to be adopted by individuals because a)they're more expensive than 12cm CDs and b)they were easier to lose!
But, yes, it's a lot of fun using, let alone building more into less. I feel a twitch of assembler coming on...
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PostPosted: Wed 11 Feb 2015, 06:05    Post subject: Re: Wary64, very small, for x86_64 CPUs  

Billtoo wrote:

Network controller Broadcom Corporation BCM4312 802.11b/g < not
supported so using wired network.


Yes, I do seem to have lost some firmware.

I created a new networking firmware pet, but it seems that some broadcom firmware got left out.

This latest Quirky has a new feature, all missing network firmware is identified and listed in this file:

Code:
/root/.network-firmware-missing


...note, it is a hidden file, so in ROX-Filer, right-click -> Display -> Show HIdden

If anyone can find all of that firmware, some of it anyway, and post it here, that would be absolutely fantastic!!!!!!!

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PostPosted: Wed 11 Feb 2015, 06:09    Post subject:  

nic007 wrote:
A 32 bit "equavalent" will be nice. I have a 1.7GHz, 384Mb RAM machine and am running 412, 431 and Wary but hey we have to move with the times. Smile Being able to do a frugal install like with the older puppies will round it off nicely.


Quirky doesn't do frugal installs.

You have to do a full install, to a drive (such as a Flash stick) or a HD partition.

EDIT:
Well, that is what I have been saying about Quirky, as there is no support for SFS files and the layered filesystem modes as per normal pups.

However, the way I am building the live-CD, could also be implemented as a frugal install on a HD. I never thought of that before, but the live-CD, as I am currently building it, is just a "humongous vmlinuz" with everything inside it, and everything runs in RAM. There is no reason why that vmlinuz can't be anywhere, for example on a HD.

It would be easy to save a session, by opening up the vmlinuz on the HD, save changes into it, rebuild the vmlinuz, replace original.
This could just be a "save" icon on the desktop, so you can choose whether to save session of not.

Thanks, you have got me thinking of new possibilities!

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