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Quirky April 7.0 - 7.0.3, 7.0.4, 7.0.4.1
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zygo

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PostPosted: Wed 30 Sep 2015, 22:41    Post subject:  

Barry,

The CPU is "Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU E4500 @ 2.20GHz" -- all 32-bit I believe. I used this phrase because you keep referring to running 32-bit apps in a 64-bit OS.

Just a minute. I've never seen a 64-bit system advertised I think. And 64-bit systems run 32-bit OSs. Is there a utility to tell me if I have one.

Code:
# fsck.fat /dev/sdf5
CP437: Invalid argument
fsck.fat 3.0.26 (2014-03-07)
Read 32 bytes at 20439552:Input/output error
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James C


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PostPosted: Wed 30 Sep 2015, 22:51    Post subject:  

zygo wrote:
Barry,

The CPU is "Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU E4500 @ 2.20GHz" -- all 32-bit I believe. I used this phrase because you keep referring to running 32-bit apps in a 64-bit OS.

Just a minute. I've never seen a 64-bit system advertised I think. And 64-bit systems run 32-bit OSs. Is there a utility to tell me if I have one.

Code:
# fsck.fat /dev/sdf5
CP437: Invalid argument
fsck.fat 3.0.26 (2014-03-07)
Read 32 bytes at 20439552:Input/output error


According to Intel that's a 64 bit cpu.....

http://ark.intel.com/products/30781/Intel-Core2-Duo-Processor-E4500-2M-Cache-2_20-GHz-800-MHz-FSB


Quote:
-Advanced Technologies
Intel® Turbo Boost Technology ‡ No
Intel® Hyper-Threading Technology ‡ No
Intel® Virtualization Technology (VT-x) ‡ No
Intel® 64 ‡ Yes
Idle States Yes
Enhanced Intel SpeedStep® Technology Yes
Intel® Demand Based Switching No
Thermal Monitoring Technologies Yes


Quote:
Intel® 64 architecture delivers 64-bit computing on server, workstation, desktop and mobile platforms when combined with supporting software.¹ Intel 64 architecture improves performance by allowing systems to address more than 4 GB of both virtual and physical memory.


That being said,I still run a couple of old Intel dual-cores that are strictly 32 bit....... still quite a few around in use.
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BarryK
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PostPosted: Wed 30 Sep 2015, 23:01    Post subject: Re: Quirky 7.0.4.1
Subject description: Boot time
 

TIW wrote:
Hi Barry.
I have used tahrpup in order to compare it to quirky. Even so I am very impressed by tahrpups many features and applications, for me the most striking feature of tahrpup is the incredible booting speed from the time of powering on my laptop up to the desktop and vice versa.
I just wonder whether that kind of technology or programming could be introduced to Quirky ? Because even so Quirky is a nice puppy its none the less a lame duck if it comes to booting and power off time . Thanks for your time.
Ulrich


You are probably comparing the live-CD boot times.

Quirky April-series is not really intended for live-CD boot, I just added that. Quirky is for conventional full installations.

You need to compare oranges with oranges, not oranges with cheese.

So, for example compare the booting speed installed to a USB stick, or a full (not frugal) install to a hard drive partition.

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PostPosted: Wed 30 Sep 2015, 23:19    Post subject:  

I have started a new thread for the "neo64" build:

http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=101159

You will need a 64-bit CPU!

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quirkian2new

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PostPosted: Tue 06 Oct 2015, 10:31    Post subject: wine for 64bit Quirky 7.0.4.1
Subject description: wine for 64bit Quirky 7.0.4.1
 

I am new to Quirky64. Just downloaded the 64bit Quirky7.0.4.1 two weeks ago and run smoothly. Thanks for Barry and all contributors for such a wonderful derivative. Can anyone give me some guidance & advice as how to run WINE in 64bit Quirky7.0.4.1 as I need to run one windows application(yes, only one at this moment). I tried several pets of WINE but all failed . If I can run WINE in 64bit Quirky7.0.4.1 then I would no longer need Microsoft at all.
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PostPosted: Tue 06 Oct 2015, 10:53    Post subject:  

Consider this thread now dead.

Quirky 7.2 has been released, and I have started a new thread:

http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=101217

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minux


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PostPosted: Mon 08 Feb 2016, 21:06    Post subject:  

Hello ,for 32 bit is x86 folder right ?
I just downloaded 7.0.3 but didn't check 1st
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scsijon

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PostPosted: Thu 16 Jun 2016, 13:06    Post subject:  

just a little note for developers using this one.

The dev package is missing the ncurses-dev pet so you need to add that in from the pet packages list.

regards
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slenkar

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PostPosted: Thu 29 Sep 2016, 18:27    Post subject:  

I downloaded a 32 bit version of April 7.2.1 , there dont seem to be any browsers in the repositories

t2 official quirky6-official and pet-april
are almost empty

any help?

I updated the package manager as well
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d1k

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PostPosted: Sun 16 Oct 2016, 01:47    Post subject:  

Is there a way that a lightweight puppy can be made or modify and existing version to run Virtualbox or some kind of Virtual layer currently better than WIne? this is so peeps can run Windows xp apps and still use puppy linux as its so handy and fast.

There are no lightweight linux versions out there as reliable and simple to use as puppy versions and the ones that run VM are bloated to help these young gamer junkies.

Ive been running linuxmint on an 64gb usb flash drive and have go back to puppy precise to run wine as it was the only version of any linux that I could use adobe photoshop 3, illustrator 7,8 and 9 without issues and even quarkxpress which are these days their latest version are so bloated they have become useless time consuming nasties.

Unfortunately no Linux apps are available that do what adobe do so quickly, Ive tried for many years with other packages and with my collegues always end up with adobe running on leading edge macs when we want to do this at home on second hand 64 bit laptops that are cheap.

linuxmint is used for the dual language eng/jp as its easier for my wife and myself trying to setup english puppy precise with some kind of no longer supported japanese input

All in all Barry you have been a lifesaver and wish there were more people like you to help with Puppies they are truly ergonomical software that do what we need and want
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slavvo67

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PostPosted: Sun 16 Oct 2016, 19:37    Post subject: Barry K Please Help  

Hi Barry,

I want to try to help support the 32bit Aprils but I'm stuck at the starting gate. Specifically, the 0pre and 0pre-add in WoofQ confuse me.

Enter the full path of the T2 build system?

I have a "Quirky Out" to build but when trying to point to that directory, the system simply tells me Error T2 Path is Wrong.

I'm basically trying to download the T2 repository, update and either provide new packages or create an April derivative, especially with GTK3 so new Firefox can work properly.

Thanks for any guidance you can point me to on this.

Slavvo67
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BarryK
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PostPosted: Mon 17 Oct 2016, 08:11    Post subject: Re: Barry K Please Help  

slavvo67 wrote:
Hi Barry,

I want to try to help support the 32bit Aprils but I'm stuck at the starting gate. Specifically, the 0pre and 0pre-add in WoofQ confuse me.

Enter the full path of the T2 build system?

I have a "Quirky Out" to build but when trying to point to that directory, the system simply tells me Error T2 Path is Wrong.

I'm basically trying to download the T2 repository, update and either provide new packages or create an April derivative, especially with GTK3 so new Firefox can work properly.

Thanks for any guidance you can point me to on this.

Slavvo67


You have to do a complete build first with T2, so it has created all the .tar.bz2 binary files, that can then be imported into woofQ.

I don't know the current status of T2, how well it is working, if at all. Also, it will need considerable hacking to build all the packages required for a Woof build.

My older T2 is customised and will/should build all the required packages, but of course the packages are older versions.

Here is some documentation how to download and use my older customised T2:
http://barryk.org/news/?viewDetailed=00157

Sources used in my customised T2:
http://distro.ibiblio.org/quirky/quirky6/sources/t2/april/

To update to the latest T2 would be a major undertaking. Forum member 'scsijon' has been using the latest T2, maybe he could advise.

Alternatively, all of the binary tarballs created by T2 are online.
http://distro.ibiblio.org/quirky/quirky6/x86/packages/t2/

These can be downloaded, along with 'Packages-t2-april-official'.

Then do NOT run '0pre'. That is only for importing those packages from a T2 build. As long as you have downloaded all of those binary tarballs to the correct place where woofQ build can find them, and Packages-t2-april-official is present, you can progress to run '0setup'.

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slavvo67

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PostPosted: Mon 17 Oct 2016, 19:04    Post subject:  

Thanks Barryk. I guess it will take quite a few weekends. We'll see how it goes..

Best,

Slavvo67
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PostPosted: Tue 25 Oct 2016, 21:57    Post subject:  

Slenkar:

Try Iron 37 for your web browser in April. It's blazing fast for me and works very well in my Quirky 7.2.1 32bit. It should be in one of the puppy repositories or I can try to find the pet and upload if you need.

Also, while it's an older version, I did a check on howsmyssl and all seemed ok.

Palemoon 25.2 is also working for me in April.

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scsijon

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PostPosted: Wed 26 Oct 2016, 05:47    Post subject: T2 updates  

Just a little note in response to barry's note.

I'm building a new set of T2 packages to T2's revision 45017 at present. It won't have everything in, but should be suitable to attempt to build this Quirky (I hope) as well as an updated racy55 (both 32bit and 64bit versions), but with later packages. But it's up to you to build and fix this one with barry's woofq, i'm only promising the racy55 equivalents as it's (with a few updates) is what i use on a daily basis and what i will call PuppyT290.

I also intend to "puppyfy' them to .pet packages as I want to go back a little bit and attempt to go back to something simple like puppy 3.01 or even earlier but with current packages before I start to build a waylandx puppy in the new year. Having played with rbos's wayland for a while I do think it will be the way those that build and use graphically drawn packages will go, and it's not exactly slow in the rest either.

You will need to keep an eye on my T290 thread to see what i'm up too. Don't rush to it as I haven't touched it in a while and won't until I have something to report. New url is: http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=108731

I will upload both sets to my .net website when ready.

@slavvo67, can we have a url for the howsmyssl please, I don't know of it?

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