vividpup beta

[futwerk]

new background.

[musher0]

Hello, all.

@futwerk: your new background looks great!

@oui: You wrote:
> "Hm, this is not progress..."

Indeed, you shouldn't view it as progress, since it has to do with creativity.

I would like to defend 666philb's decision as an author of Puppy distros. He decided
to make this one a big Puppy, and it is his right to do so.

oui, if you prefer, the smaller VividPup-6.5 (PAE or not; 215 Mb) is still available at
https://archive.org/download/Puppy_Linux_Vividpup thanks to the tenacious
and wonderful work of ally at the Internet archive.

Another consideration, oui, about Puppy sizes. Add OpenOffice or LibreOffice, or Java
plus Datacrow, for example, to any Puppy, and instantly you have a Puppy that's 150
Mb's fatter at least than the one you started with. Not to mention another 140 Mb's
(give or take) for the devx file if you need it to develop the Puppy.

That doesn't mean Puppy has become as big as Debian... Have a look: the recent
Debian Wheezy (7.8 ) Live with LXDE (it's the smallest ISO of this series) comes in
at 1,1 Gb and you'll still have to download a few extras to suit your taste.

Even if one is not a math wiz, one can easily see that a Puppy with 215 Mb is 5 times
smaller than this Debian 1,1 Gb. The size of the fat Vivid at 435 Mb weighs only about
40 % of the Debian Wheezy LXDE Live. Even if you add the devx file, it's still less than
50 % of the Debian -- and 666philb's fat VividPup offers at least equivalent functions.

Another argument in favor of big Puppies is that it fends off the comment that Puppies
are for Linux hobbyists, not for newbies. With a big Puppy such as this one or
koulazixis' Slacko 5.5 XL -- among others --, most everything is there ready to use.
No compiling, no Internet search for complements are necessary: the newbie user
can start enjoying his Puppy right away.

I know, oui, that you like the recent 57 Mb's Slitaz-5rc, but what do you have in there?
The mere skin and bones of a distro. So please... let's keep some perspective and
compare comparables.

Bye for now.

musher0

[yr1945]

@oui... I tend to agree with you... just my opinion though!

The last really good "puppies" were Saluki023 and Precise571... everything worked just fine OOTB. On Precise571, I can add acpitool & pupshutdown pets and the OS will suspend and wake just fine... however, these pets don't work with the newer "puppies". Also, the newer OS' have a "shutdown GUI" that is silly and not needed at all... it just takes an extra click to exit. Some of them will not even open hyperlinks when double clicked.

The trend for new "puppies" appear to be more fancy stuff, megabytes, etc... not "lean and mean" coupled with better functionality.

Also, look at Quirky... ouch... I know, I know... it is not a puppy... wink, wink.

But, then, the above is just my opinion. By the way, I have my motorcycle helmet and gear on... so start throwing rocks at me... LOL.

P.S.: While I still use Precise and Saluki... and, play around with many other "puppies", I, too, have reinstalled Debian. However, I don't fully understand the issue with SystemD.

[Pelo]

ViVid installed, nice green.
A first look at Menu and PPM QT5 Gui...
And a Look at the menu Multimedia and Graphics... for testing the new applications offered to users.
WebChemy..Coquillo. Bino in the PPM (3d video player)
Vivid 6.5 installed on multiboot pendrive (Grub4Dos) between Wolx and ASRI-edu310 (France). Wireless connection with Frisbee easy, Palemoon is a browser I appreciate.
This Puppy is fast... I am expecting a better use of QT libs.
Icons themes, click 'more themes' : good idea, because SVG icons were becoming the standard, That gives us a chance to enjoy our desktop.
About Musher0 opinion, my policy would be Light applis for everybody, and SFS to load for typists, multimedia or audio specialists. But never Nothing offered or geek apps which newbie will not understand as elinks.
When you enter a Puppy, everyone should be able to choose how to make the puppy it's own. Doing nothing for a lot of us, loading SFS for specialists.
Vivid is not bad in the spirit.... and in my opinion.
SimpleScreenRecorder is the best screencast tool i have ever used Sound was muted on boot but merely changing the level took care of that.
Coquillo, in the opposite, is a very poor metadata editor for audio files...

[Pelo]

My desktop has left ! black screen, but bottom menu still here, and is active.

issues .... i've had jwm crash a few times, it's the one from tahrpup, so might need to re-compile it for vivid. (or it could just be my comp) My laptop too. I tried to repair my vividsave-alexandra.2fs by creating a new one and copying jwm config files in it, but it didn't repair anything. however perhaps it's not possible repairing after a crash.
I always install pupsaveconfig in my new puppies, because your are doing tries to get them as you like, When something get wrong, you reboot without saving, to retrieve previous configuration. pupsaveconfig now should be available everywhere, so useful.
restarted with a new pupsave, seems stable. J'aime vraiment Vividpup, Me gusta Vividpup.

[Pelo]

ViVidPup is a nice Puppy with apps from PPM
Vokoscreen tested and is running in Vividpup, some adjutment is needed for audio topic for help here.

[irishrm]

This is an excellent pup, worthy of more attention.
thanks 666philb.
irishrm.

[Billtoo]

Manual frugal installation to a 16gb usb-3.0 flash drive, pc is an HP
mini Stream:

video-info-glx 1.5.3 Mon 5 Oct 2015 on vividpup beta2 Linux 3.19.5-vivid_PAE-32-pae i686
2.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Haswell-ULT Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 0b)
oem: Intel(R) HSW Mobile/Desktop Graphics Chipset Accelerated VGA BIOS
product: óî óî

X Server: Xorg Driver: intel
X.Org version: 1.17.1
dimensions: 1920x1080 pixels (507x285 millimeters)
depth of root window: 24 planes

direct rendering: Yes
server glx vendor string: SGI
server glx version string: 1.4
OpenGL vendor string: Intel Open Source Technology Center
OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Intel(R) Haswell Mobile x86/MMX/SSE2
OpenGL core profile version string: 3.3 (Core Profile) Mesa 10.5.0

Intel(R) Celeron(R) 2957U @ 1.40GHz
Core 0: @1400 1: @1400 MHz

It's working well on this pc.

Thanks

[Pelo]

PMUSIC AND PSCHEDULE
How do you change pmusic media player of pschedule ? Pmusic not found.

[csipesz]

thanks, 666philb, this was a superb basis for me.
I made a baggier variant of this.
if he interests somebody, this extended stuff downloadable from here:

vivid-beta2-MOD-ENGHUN-by-csipesz-2015-10-09.iso 1,01Gb
https://mega.nz/#!RF12wJ6T!Pw_cJPHhE8py ... Aapwyz7nkc

kicked out stuffs:
deadbeef,
wiewnior,
palemoon,
1-2 games;
more essential stuffs added to it:
cursor themes
gpicview
xvkbd
openboxplus
lxpanel
pwidgets
bleachbit
firefox(40)
audacious
guvcview
wine1.6
openjdk7javaruntime7
xvidcap
random wallpaper-changer
zsnes
bluetooth support
audacity
zaz game
timidity
hydrogen
zynaddsubfx
fotoxx
fbreader
dosbox
pupcontrol.

[Pelo]

beta 2 1 giga ! I look deeper your list of apps. why palemoon and firefox ? (Palemoon does the job, alone. Firefox too).
I check about bleachbit what it is.

[ally]

csipesz's vivid build added to the archive http://archive.org/details/Puppy_Linux_Vividpup

[sszindian]

Pale Moon updater not retrieving latest version?

>>>---Indian------>

[Pelo]

Vivid is a flavour of Tahr, why not keep tahrpup as pupplet's name, with the extension 6.5 (vivid)
This will avoid to issue a new puppy for each flavour of Ubuntu. Bad idea ?
Vivid beta can be Wily released, no, just changes the wallpapers, and PPM can still load Vivid, that wouldn't hurt anybody.

[666philb]

Pale Moon updater not retrieving latest version?

>>>---Indian------>

the updater was updated .... i've attached it to the first post http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... h&id=92013

[charbaby66]

frugal no save file on NTFS
+pale moon updater/updated

very fast, smooth, bright.. phil you rock!!

on 1st run, good! - no annoying time zone issues in system or browser to fiddle away (Error code: sec_error_ocsp_future_response, f'd up tz)

not good? Quick setup >>on restart x to set new network name/time zone
get hotshots & libreoffice errors, on install>>install apps>> SFS from official repo. internet not installed or repo down (screenshots attached)

EDIT: all 3 errors remain after savefile created & used on reboot

wifi up, good on SNS or Frisbee. PPM updated. miss quickpet but looking good, may supersede tahrpups 6:03/04 or puppybang for primary or base 32 bit on this box.. still testing 64/32compat. pups

EDIT: SNS settings remain after savefile created & used on reboot but had to hit connect 5-6 times to have network initialize and get an IP,, have not tested Frisbee
in this regard


I wish i could program like you guys, but content to reap from your expertise hats off & thank you again for the fine effort

Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU T7100 @ 1.80GHz
Max Speed: 1800 MHz
Current Speed of Core 0:1801 MHz, 1:1801 MHz
Personal Storage: RAM Disk
Size Used Free Use%
3.0G 78M 2.9G 3%

Memory Allocation:
Total RAM: 4034 MB
Used RAM: 1050 MB
Free RAM: 2984 MB
Buffers: 112 MB
Total Swap: 2046 MB
Free Swap: 2046 MB

Linux Kernel: 3.19.5-vivid_PAE-32-pae (i686)
Kernel Version: #1 SMP Mon Apr 27 11:12:29 GMT-8 2015
PAE Enabled: Yes

Distro: vividpup beta2
Window Manager: JWM vgit-976
Desktop Start: xwin jwm
▶—— DISPLAY ——◀

Display Specifications:
• Monitor VertRefresh: 60.0 times/s
• Screen Dimensions: 1280x800 pixels (338x211 millimeters)
• Screen Depth: 24 bits (planes)

Xorg Startup Log (/var/log/Xorg.0.log):
• Xorg Driver in use: intel
• Loaded Modules: dbe dri2 extmod glx kbd mouse present synaptics
• X.Org version: 1.17.1

OpenGL 2D/3D Rendering:
• Direct Rendering: Yes
• Vendor: Intel Open Source Technology Center
• Renderer: Mesa DRI Intel(R) 965GM x86/MMX/SSE2
• Version: 2.1 Mesa 10.5.0

VGA controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (primary) [8086:2a02] (rev 0c)
• Kernel Driver: i915
• Memory Used: 690.12 KB
• Path: /lib/modules/3.19.5-vivid_PAE-32-pae/kernel/drivers/gpu/drm/i915/i915.ko
• Description: Intel Graphics

▶—— NETWORK ——◀

Ethernet controller [0200]: Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme BCM5755M Gigabit Ethernet PCI Express [14e4:1673] (rev 02)
• Kernel Driver: tg3
• Memory Used: 117.41 KB
• Path: /lib/modules/3.19.5-vivid_PAE-32-pae/kernel/drivers/net/ethernet/broadcom/tg3.ko
• Driver Version: 3.137
• Description: Broadcom Tigon3 ethernet driver

Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 4965 AG or AGN [Kedron] Network Connection [8086:4229] (rev 61)
• Kernel Driver: iwl4965
• Memory Used: 66.29 KB
• Path: /lib/modules/3.19.5-vivid_PAE-32-pae/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/iwlegacy/iwl4965.ko
• Driver Version: in-tree:
• Description: Intel(R) Wireless WiFi 4965 driver for Linux

[eric52]

Kudos, 666philb, this is another winner. Tahrpup is indeed trusty, of moderate build, equipped with QuickPet, and implementing a SFS modularity. I have found it to be an excellent frugal install on an ext partition, and quite good on USB and DVD platforms. Unicornpup is a small base that can be variously built up toward any specific need, allowing the user to achieve a nearly perfect size for many particular purposes. Vividpup comes with no assembly required. This fulfills an important need for those of us who prefer to operate from a DVD. SFS files require very awkward loading and resist boot management on the DVD platform. As the low-cost versatility of DVDs makes them ideal give-away introductions to Puppy, it's nice to have a flagship product to share. Even at the beta stage, vividpup is robust and reliable. It has quickly become my preferred portable. The entire litter 666philb has whelped embraces just about everything Puppy can be. Truly an admirable output - well conceived and executed. Congratulations!

[futwerk]

new background.

[Pelo]

vivid-6.5_PAE.iso: 215 M
Libre-Office loaded as SFS on the fly if needed.
Franz, a magyar (hungarian Puppy lover) yet issued a Vivid puplet unicorNOPen without Libre Office with PPM Utopic.
Most of users store the SFS in their tool case, at home, for use on every puppy employed
I am sure that SFS to be loaded are the best solution for big applications,
Puppy ISOs should be provided by default with small tools for home daily usage.
Office suites include apps that we will never use, Daddy plays Linux after a hard day at office, using microsoftt MSaccess, excel and Word.
Not sure that after dinner, they like to begin a second typing session.
Furthermore Free Soft office does the same as Libre Office, with a much smaller size. Let us choose...
"I would like to defend 666philb's decision as an author of Puppy distros. He decided
to make this one a big Puppy, and it is his right to do so. " Musher0, i agree with you, dear canadian colleague.

[eric52]

Pelo, I more than agree. I use Puppy on optical disks, pen drives, and hard drives in multiple ways. I haven't tried memory cards, yet, but I'll bet they also make a special case. There is no one ideal approach that best covers all these media. The SFS concept is great for many applications. Right now I'm exploring the work of RSH in LASSIE, which is a devoted tribute to the SFS platform. Great stuff! But it's not good for full HD or CD installs due to the nature and capacity involved. Sometimes, the PET approach is just better than the modular one. Creating a large, integrated Puppy to fulfill those needs is not just 666philb's right, it's his obligation as a developer to occasionally provide a comprehensive package that has been tested as a particular combination. It's almost like having different genders - they are not equally suited for all purposes, no matter what the currently popular propaganda says, and to suggest that one is inherently wrong if just plain silly. Vive la difference!