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futwerk

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PostPosted: Mon 17 Aug 2015, 20:50    Post subject:  

new background.
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musher0


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PostPosted: Tue 25 Aug 2015, 11:59    Post subject:  

Hello, all.

@futwerk: your new background looks great! Smile

@oui: You wrote:
> "Hm, this is not progress..."

Indeed, you shouldn't view it as progress, since it has to do with creativity.

I would like to defend 666philb's decision as an author of Puppy distros. He decided
to make this one a big Puppy, and it is his right to do so.

oui, if you prefer, the smaller VividPup-6.5 (PAE or not; 215 Mb) is still available at
https://archive.org/download/Puppy_Linux_Vividpup thanks to the tenacious
and wonderful work of ally at the Internet archive.

Another consideration, oui, about Puppy sizes. Add OpenOffice or LibreOffice, or Java
plus Datacrow, for example, to any Puppy, and instantly you have a Puppy that's 150
Mb's fatter at least than the one you started with. Not to mention another 140 Mb's
(give or take) for the devx file if you need it to develop the Puppy.

That doesn't mean Puppy has become as big as Debian... Have a look: the recent
Debian Wheezy (7.8 ) Live with LXDE (it's the smallest ISO of this series) comes in
at 1,1 Gb and you'll still have to download a few extras to suit your taste.

Even if one is not a math wiz, one can easily see that a Puppy with 215 Mb is 5 times
smaller than this Debian 1,1 Gb. The size of the fat Vivid at 435 Mb weighs only about
40 % of the Debian Wheezy LXDE Live. Even if you add the devx file, it's still less than
50 % of the Debian -- and 666philb's fat VividPup offers at least equivalent functions.

Another argument in favor of big Puppies is that it fends off the comment that Puppies
are for Linux hobbyists, not for newbies. With a big Puppy such as this one or
koulazixis' Slacko 5.5 XL -- among others --, most everything is there ready to use.
No compiling, no Internet search for complements are necessary: the newbie user
can start enjoying his Puppy right away.

I know, oui, that you like the recent 57 Mb's Slitaz-5rc, but what do you have in there?
The mere skin and bones of a distro. So please... let's keep some perspective and
compare comparables.

Bye for now.

musher0

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yr1945

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PostPosted: Tue 25 Aug 2015, 15:55    Post subject: @oui  

@oui... I tend to agree with you... just my opinion though!

The last really good "puppies" were Saluki023 and Precise571... everything worked just fine OOTB. On Precise571, I can add acpitool & pupshutdown pets and the OS will suspend and wake just fine... however, these pets don't work with the newer "puppies". Also, the newer OS' have a "shutdown GUI" that is silly and not needed at all... it just takes an extra click to exit. Some of them will not even open hyperlinks when double clicked.

The trend for new "puppies" appear to be more fancy stuff, megabytes, etc... not "lean and mean" coupled with better functionality.

Also, look at Quirky... ouch... I know, I know... it is not a puppy... wink, wink.

But, then, the above is just my opinion. By the way, I have my motorcycle helmet and gear on... so start throwing rocks at me... LOL.

P.S.: While I still use Precise and Saluki... and, play around with many other "puppies", I, too, have reinstalled Debian. However, I don't fully understand the issue with SystemD.
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Pelo

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PostPosted: Wed 26 Aug 2015, 03:10    Post subject: ViVid installed, nice green.  

ViVid installed, nice green.
A first look at Menu and PPM QT5 Gui...
And a Look at the menu Multimedia and Graphics... for testing the new applications offered to users.
WebChemy..Coquillo. Bino in the PPM (3d video player)
Vivid 6.5 installed on multiboot pendrive (Grub4Dos) between Wolx and ASRI-edu310 (France). Wireless connection with Frisbee easy, Palemoon is a browser I appreciate.
This Puppy is fast... I am expecting a better use of QT libs.
Icons themes, click 'more themes' : good idea, because SVG icons were becoming the standard, That gives us a chance to enjoy our desktop. Smile
About Musher0 opinion, my policy would be Light applis for everybody, and SFS to load for typists, multimedia or audio specialists. But never Nothing offered or geek apps which newbie will not understand as elinks.
When you enter a Puppy, everyone should be able to choose how to make the puppy it's own. Doing nothing for a lot of us, loading SFS for specialists.
Vivid is not bad in the spirit.... and in my opinion.
SimpleScreenRecorder is the best screencast tool i have ever used Exclamation Sound was muted on boot but merely changing the level took care of that.
Coquillo, in the opposite, is a very poor metadata editor for audio files...

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Pelo

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PostPosted: Fri 28 Aug 2015, 11:22    Post subject: My desktop has left !
Subject description: pendrive Emtec rouge 4GB multiboot ViVid ASRI WOLX
 

My desktop has left ! black screen, but bottom menu still here, and is active.

issues .... i've had jwm crash a few times, it's the one from tahrpup, so might need to re-compile it for vivid. (or it could just be my comp) My laptop too. I tried to repair my vividsave-alexandra.2fs by creating a new one and copying jwm config files in it, but it didn't repair anything. however perhaps it's not possible repairing after a crash.
I always install pupsaveconfig in my new puppies, because your are doing tries to get them as you like, When something get wrong, you reboot without saving, to retrieve previous configuration. pupsaveconfig now should be available everywhere, so useful.
Confused restarted with a new pupsave, seems stable. J'aime vraiment Vividpup, Me gusta Vividpup.

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Pelo

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PostPosted: Wed 16 Sep 2015, 12:50    Post subject: ViVidPup is a nice Puppy with apps from PPM  

ViVidPup is a nice Puppy with apps from PPM
Vokoscreen tested and is running in Vividpup, some adjutment is needed for audio topic for help here.
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irishrm


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PostPosted: Mon 05 Oct 2015, 06:24    Post subject:  

This is an excellent pup, worthy of more attention.
thanks 666philb.
irishrm.
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PostPosted: Mon 05 Oct 2015, 09:20    Post subject: vividpup beta  

Manual frugal installation to a 16gb usb-3.0 flash drive, pc is an HP
mini Stream:

video-info-glx 1.5.3 Mon 5 Oct 2015 on vividpup beta2 Linux 3.19.5-vivid_PAE-32-pae i686
2.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Haswell-ULT Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 0b)
oem: Intel(R) HSW Mobile/Desktop Graphics Chipset Accelerated VGA BIOS
product: óî óî

X Server: Xorg Driver: intel
X.Org version: 1.17.1
dimensions: 1920x1080 pixels (507x285 millimeters)
depth of root window: 24 planes

direct rendering: Yes
server glx vendor string: SGI
server glx version string: 1.4
OpenGL vendor string: Intel Open Source Technology Center
OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Intel(R) Haswell Mobile x86/MMX/SSE2
OpenGL core profile version string: 3.3 (Core Profile) Mesa 10.5.0

Intel(R) Celeron(R) 2957U @ 1.40GHz
Core 0: @1400 1: @1400 MHz

It's working well on this pc.

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PostPosted: Sun 11 Oct 2015, 04:27    Post subject: PMUSIC AND PSCHEDULE  

PMUSIC AND PSCHEDULE
How do you change pmusic media player of pschedule ? Pmusic not found.

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csipesz


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PostPosted: Mon 12 Oct 2015, 03:05    Post subject:  

thanks, 666philb, this was a superb basis for me.
I made a baggier variant of this.
if he interests somebody, this extended stuff downloadable from here:

vivid-beta2-MOD-ENGHUN-by-csipesz-2015-10-09.iso 1,01Gb
https://mega.nz/#!RF12wJ6T!Pw_cJPHhE8pyQ00udliw2UrQMQaOkNpWgAapwyz7nkc

kicked out stuffs:
deadbeef,
wiewnior,
palemoon,
1-2 games;
more essential stuffs added to it:
cursor themes
gpicview
xvkbd
openboxplus
lxpanel
pwidgets
bleachbit
firefox(40)
audacious
guvcview
wine1.6
openjdk7javaruntime7
xvidcap
random wallpaper-changer
zsnes
bluetooth support
audacity
zaz game
timidity
hydrogen
zynaddsubfx
fotoxx
fbreader
dosbox
pupcontrol.
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PostPosted: Mon 12 Oct 2015, 06:15    Post subject: I look deeper your list of apps.  

beta 2 1 giga ! I look deeper your list of apps. why palemoon and firefox ? (Palemoon does the job, alone. Firefox too).
I check about bleachbit what it is.

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ally


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PostPosted: Mon 12 Oct 2015, 06:33    Post subject:  

csipesz's vivid build added to the archive http://archive.org/details/Puppy_Linux_Vividpup

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PostPosted: Sat 17 Oct 2015, 09:11    Post subject: Pale Moon Browser  

Pale Moon updater not retrieving latest version?

>>>---Indian------>
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PostPosted: Wed 11 Nov 2015, 01:28    Post subject: Tahrpup 6.5 ?  

Vivid is a flavour of Tahr, why not keep tahrpup as pupplet's name, with the extension 6.5 (vivid)
This will avoid to issue a new puppy for each flavour of Ubuntu. Bad idea ?
Vivid beta can be Wily released, no, just changes the wallpapers, and PPM can still load Vivid, that wouldn't hurt anybody.

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PostPosted: Thu 12 Nov 2015, 17:44    Post subject: Re: Pale Moon Browser  

sszindian wrote:
Pale Moon updater not retrieving latest version?

>>>---Indian------>


the updater was updated Smile .... i've attached it to the first post http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?mode=attach&id=92013

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