(OLD) (ARCHIVED) Puppy Linux Discussion Forum

[mikeb]

Just wondered... same goes for the web server and ftpd for that matter
mike

[bark_bark_bark]

I thought about asking that before.

[mikeb]

LOL... great minds thinking alike or fools never differing?

Well I moved them and seemed to work ok...declutters the /root folder and seems more at home with running underprivelidged. (is that how you spell it?)
You just change the paths in /etc/passwd.

I wont speak about the windows 95 my-willywarmer folders.

mike

[bark_bark_bark]

I prefer to have the files on my computer organized. Sometimes to get to a file, I have to click through a few layers on folders; Other times, there are loose files in the My Documents, My Music, My Pictures, My Videos, and Downloads folders.

[mikeb]

My arse ....

sorry.

well the family understand and have no problem with having a storage partition and a series of folders. .../root profile seems a little perverse and the my thing is definately windows perversity at its best.

Or is it an ego thing .. MY documents..MY apps...

If we keep talking we might get a answer about spot.

mike

[bark_bark_bark]

It's odd that spot is in /root, but that's not the only thing that is odd.

It's odd that people hate on Windows Vista, when it was an actually decent version (some would say it's even better than Windows 7).

But let's just talk about /root, the folder "spot", and folder structure like we were before; or else this will get off-topic and no answer will be given.

[smokey01]

Do you have a /home when running live?

[mikeb]

No /home s in standard pups... the idea that non root activity should live in /home is a common unix/linux idea thats all..ie to keep it away from the root/admin profile

There are plenty of oddball folders already so a standard one would not hurt.

mike

[bigpup]

Puppy does not use /home the way other versions of Linux do.

/root is used the way other Linux versions use /home.

In Puppy it is mnt/home
mnt/home is used as the mount point for the location of the Puppy main files.
Like Puppy.sfs, puppysave.2fs, the Puppy files directory, etc....

It all has to do with how frugal and live installs work in Puppy.

Just look at what is in mnt/home to best see what it is used for.

Yes you can put stuff in mnt/home, but it is not part of the main Puppy.sfs file or in the save file or save folder.

[jamesbond]

[Ted Dog]

So can we move spot elsewhere, under root bugs me I do not think it its extra unsafe where it is, but I have seen directory parent permission take over I even used that trick to fix a broken install as a regular user. when the ROOT admin was still having to read the books for everything 2 weeks after getting the job.
Of course I was a dark wizard for using a 20+ year undocumented BSD flag to do it. She had it out for me and got me demoted and removed as web admin ( which for that group was a blessing ) I did not mean to 'show her up' People still by-past her to have me fix things and I saved her bacon once during a cyber-attack by firewall tricks ( again regular user, the rest of team never told her I helped, I jokingly told them I did not need Admin rights and could do the trick with my back to the keyboard, which they had me prove , and I did )

[mikeb]

/mnt/home is a puppy ism..less said about that the better and nothing whatsoever to do with users/permissions. Indeed spot would fall to bits on a fat partition lol.

/home is for non priviledged user accounts... I would have classed spot as that if nothing else even if its not a full implementation. Profiles are creates with spot:spot ownership...sounds familiar. www and ftp..ok system ones...though pop them out the way as you mention.
Separating the full blown root profile from this spot one just seems appropriate.. its the puppy way of providing a user profile so it should be treat as one.
Also if something like useradd was used rather than the mini adduser then then it would add users to /home ...i used that for my multiuser pups..but I digress.

Ok change the question to 'why is the admin /root profile being used for inappropriate non root (admin) profile related content ?'

Actually thats closer to the reason for the post... a new user is greeted by a huge pile of 'unrelated to his profile' junk...is the aim to confuse the hell out of them...lighthouse was a nightmare.... might be geek heaven but hardly an invite to someone unfamiliar with linux.
Also as mentioned if they are 'system' folders then keep them out of the way of a new user with root priviledges who could easily mess up something the system will need at some point...I assume thats why they exist.

Rationalize it all you want like much of what goes on here...its still a mess that could be easily tidied.

Historically sounds like a puppy 1 hangover where only home was being saved...that was a little while ago.

mike

[jamesbond]

[mikeb]

Technical debate eh

No problem.
Yes you mention scripts... hardcoding more a general problem... instead of using $HOME or ~ for example and use of /tmp when its profile related. ...I believe this has been improved over time.

As you point out linux is a free for all... an absense of standards and common methods...well thats a wider issue indeed ... so I suppose there is always an element that wants something more consistant to try and get the world to make linux be taken more seriously... so its not so much MY way as trying to get some form of order in there.... part of the puppy evolution in my head which should in no way detract from its uniqueness....there was that standards thread a while ago about this.

My view is that /root became the dumping ground for system stuff rather than being the admins/puppy users profile folder. (historical /root only save reason) Makes it cluttered and messy. I suggest its not a very 'linux methods way' either though what that is is debatable.
I also question the desire to have applications installed in there... again non technical user with direct access to their shiny software seems an accident waiting to happen. Also makes the PATHS messy.

Since making for many a year puplets, the root folder is free and configs that belong in there are hidden.. only the user startup folder is included ... the rest is for the user to use... though as root they are free to destroy the system, /root is where their home is..their documents ... indeed I have to explain many a time that you can actually go elsewhere in puppy..ie 'up'

I also have sometimes put a symlink to /mnt/home or nowadays to an actual partition ..whatever is being used for data storage.
In other words yer stuff in in /root .... and thats it.

Just for a simpler life really.

The initial question...I wanted to know if there was any 'technical' reason for the spot in root but as such there seems to be non ..its just habit it seems so ok to move it ...
next build will be altered in this way

All good fun

mike

[bigpup]