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wanderer

Joined: 20 Oct 2007
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PostPosted: Mon 22 Jun 2015, 15:38    Post subject:  Mintpup  

I am working on puppifying linux Mint 17

saintless has inspired me

My thanks to everyone
Barry K
ttuuxx - I use Top214x9 as my puppy
and everyone else

my goals

download linux mint 17 iso

only use synaptic and apt
to minimize iso so no systems are broken

minimize iso to only contain

xfce
firefox - dhcpd
vlc - alsa
apt
synaptic

add

jwm
rxvt

and gtk1

gtkedit
emelfm
rox-gtk1
dillo

be able to boot from (my modified puppy initrd/iso)
and have the puppy initrd/iso on cd or usb
and the sfs file (or uncompressed main file)
and the save file
on hd

aside from the apt/synaptic changes
in the mint file system
all the puppy stuff will be in
the puppy initrd/iso
and a directory called puppypak
which can be stored in /home
it will function with symlinks
created by a script in puppypak
so you can either boot the normal way and run standard mint
or you can boot with the puppy initrd/iso
and boot into the puppy stuff

the puppy initrd/iso
can be made 2 ways
one that chroots into the main file
and one that mounts the main file on the ramdrive
and symlinks to the necessary directories

then make a script/instructions so anyone else can do it

I think this is possible for someone
(even with my very limited skills) to do
but of course it will take time

wish me luck

wanderer

I will post my progress on this thread

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wanderer

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PostPosted: Mon 22 Jun 2015, 15:38    Post subject:  

I am going to post my progress in this space so that it is all in one place
and one does not have to scroll down to find it

I am using a chroot environment to remove packages from the linux mint iso and saintless has been kind enough to provide a tutorial and I am trying to digest that now

I also have made a puppy which I call vxpup where the entire filesystem is in the save file and the sfs is mounted but empty. This allows easy modifications without bothering to compress and uncompress and I will see if I can do that with mintpup

I am going to try to reduce the sfs file while still leaving xorg xfce firefox and vlc working because I want this as the basic system. I know it will make a much bigger sfs initially but I will have to include them later anyway.

I will also use a puppy kernel initrd and save file as the alternative boot method (and eventually alternative structure) because it keeps these modifications isolated (one can just plug in another kernel and initrd anytime without disturbing anything) and the puppy boot system is faster more accessible and more flexible

This is what I am trying to do now.

As to adding puppy pets the pet2deb route seems the most straightforward.

I have also noticed that the cow system is like unionfs if you put another sfs file in the same folder it will be mounted and merged when mint boots off of the live usb.

A big question for me is how to access the boot chain in mint (init rcsysinit xinitrc etc) and for example start another window manager so far I haven't found any answers online.

(saintless has pointed out limitations and solutions to the last three ideas)

Oh by the way I agree this should be called mintdog in honor of saintless and everyone that worked on debiandog but I didnt want to impose by using his dog ending without approval. (however I will leave it mintpup because futwerk created the great artwork and saintless approved)

Thanks once again for all the help and encouragement.

wanderer

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PostPosted: Mon 22 Jun 2015, 15:39    Post subject:  

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PostPosted: Tue 23 Jun 2015, 09:33    Post subject:  

see above
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saintless


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PostPosted: Tue 23 Jun 2015, 16:16    Post subject:  

I had some experience remastering old Ubuntu version here. The CLI remastering script for DD needs some small changes for cleaning /var/run and /var/tmp to work with Ubuntu. Installing yad and gtkdialog should make also the GUI remastering scripts work in Linux Mint. I guess some small modifications will be needed.
If you decide to remove/add packages using save file and remastering the system instead chroot I can help modding the remastering scripts for Linux Mint.
Nice to see another project heading in the same direction.

Toni

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wanderer

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PostPosted: Tue 23 Jun 2015, 18:55    Post subject:  

Thanks saintless for the words of encoragement and wisdom

Your debiandog is awesome

Your iso finally made debian useable

Thanks again

wanderer
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wanderer

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PostPosted: Thu 25 Jun 2015, 09:41    Post subject:  

have installed linux mint a number of ways
live usb direct
live usb with plop to boot on non usb computers
full install

am removing packages with synaptic
slow process

mint is very different in boot system
for example sbin/init is a library file
and not readable with a text editor
very slow boot as compared with puppy
will try to use my modified puppy components
to boot and control main filesystem
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anikin

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PostPosted: Thu 25 Jun 2015, 12:05    Post subject:  

Hi wanderer,
Quote:
mint is very different in boot system
for example sbin/init is a library file
and not readable with a text editor
here's why it's different:
Quote:
Linux Mint Will Continue To Provide Both Systemd and Upstart
After Debian adopted systemd, many other Linux distributions based on that operating system made the switch as well. Ubuntu has already rolled out systemd in 15.04, but Linux Mint is providing dual options for users. The Ubuntu transition was surprisingly painless, and no one really put up a fight, but the Linux Mint team chose the middle ground. The Mint developers consider that the project needs to still wait for systemd to become more stable and mature, before it will be the default and only option.
http://linux.slashdot.org/story/15/05/11/085208/linux-mint-will-continue-to-provide-both-systemd-and-upstart
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PostPosted: Thu 25 Jun 2015, 13:58    Post subject:  

anikin

thanks for the info

wanderer
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otoshan

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PostPosted: Fri 26 Jun 2015, 08:06    Post subject:  

Good Smile ... Will include package apt-get?
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wanderer

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PostPosted: Fri 26 Jun 2015, 10:57    Post subject:  

otoshan

thanks for the interest

see above for my goals

wanderer
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futwerk

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PostPosted: Fri 26 Jun 2015, 19:08    Post subject:  

a few backgrounds.
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PostPosted: Fri 26 Jun 2015, 22:18    Post subject:  

futwerk

they look great

when i get everything ready

we will use them as our backgrounds

thanks

wanderer
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darry1966


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PostPosted: Fri 26 Jun 2015, 22:39    Post subject:  

Best of luck Wanderer. A good base.
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PostPosted: Sun 28 Jun 2015, 07:39    Post subject:  

Hi, wanderer.
Maybe this will help you a little. Write if you need help with something.

Toni

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