Bionicpup64 8.0 CE

[sheldonisaac]

But for large programs, and those which update often, I prefer SFSes: Keeps SaveFiles small, easy to update, and --when not in use-- requires considerably less RAM.
People's needs and experience differ. Bionicpup64 has quickpet. I'd suggest not including any of the mentioned applications in the ISO. Provide them thru quickpet.

I use only a few of the applications included by you Puppy developers. I'd rather get them like mikeslr said.

Thanks a lot,
Sheldon

[zigbert]

Tested 7.9.7 on the problematic tablet-pc Lenovo Yoga 530. This one is BETTER!
It does not freeze (has run for 3 hours), so in some way, it is useful.

It fails to enter desktop at first try, but after resetting xorg.conf it works. Second boot goes straight to X.

- It seems that the support of the integrated gpu ( vega 8 ) is limited, as hdmi does not work at all. The external monitor reports "No hdmi signal".
- Touchpad doesn't work.
- Touchscreen doesn't work.
- CPU-temp monitor seems locked on 32 degrees.
- Wifi does not work (Realtek RTL8821CE).
- Function-buttons doesn't work, so not able to adjust screen brightness.

Thank you!

[zigbert]

Regarding Libre-office and Gimp.

- I personally prefer Gimp, but I think mtpaint (or similar) fits better as the default choice.

- Abiword has its issues, but I have no problem get my job done with it. I use Libre Writer when I receive complex Word/Writer-files that Abiword doesn't convert correctly. Libre-office is a great (and bloated) piece of software. Abiword is responsive... and responsiveness is one of the reason for using Puppy.

- Gnumeric is the best spreadsheet I have used. Neither Excel nor Libre Calc can match Gnumeric when it comes to speed and calculations. It is weaker with graphical output of pies and graphs. In my opinion, Gnumeric is a perfect match for Puppy with its smaller footprint and because it is GTK-based.

[666philb]

Tested 7.9.7 on the problematic tablet-pc Lenovo Yoga 530. This one is BETTER!
It does not freeze (has run for 3 hours), so in some way, it is useful.

It fails to enter desktop at first try, but after resetting xorg.conf it works. Second boot goes straight to X.

- It seems that the support of the integrated gpu ( vega 8 ) is limited, as hdmi does not work at all. The external monitor reports "No hdmi signal".
- Touchpad doesn't work.
- Touchscreen doesn't work.
- CPU-temp monitor seems locked on 32 degrees.
- Wifi does not work (Realtek RTL8821CE).
- Function-buttons doesn't work, so not able to adjust screen brightness.

Thank you!

hi zigbert,
i found this bug report https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+sour ... ug/1787775
i've built both the i2c-amd-mp2 & 8821CE modules from the thread and packaged them as an adrv.sfs. just place the adrv.sfs with the puppy.sfs and boot.
after it's booted to desktop wait 20seconds ish (a script runs depmod -a and blacklists ideapad-laptop module) and then reboot
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1Q0J-K ... 2jUqHUoTk0

[LateAdopter]

Hello 666philb. Thanks for this.

I'm happy with LibreOffice. I use OpenOffice 3.3 on Windows 2000 and LibreOffice on Fatdog, so that makes them all properly compatible.

On 7.9.7 I'm getting blank Rox windows left after unmounting partitions/drives. Have I broken something, since I haven't seen anyone else mention it?

EDIT the only thing I changed, this time, was to uncheck the UTF8 box in the firstrun screen. That could affect the mount command.

[zigbert]

hi zigbert,
i found this bug report https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+sour ... ug/1787775
i've built both the i2c-amd-mp2 & 8821CE modules from the thread and packaged them as an adrv.sfs. just place the adrv.sfs with the puppy.sfs and boot.
after it's booted to desktop wait 20seconds ish (a script runs depmod -a and blacklists ideapad-laptop module) and then reboot
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1Q0J-K ... 2jUqHUoTk0

Adding the adrv lead to a full freeze. Not able to load X until removing adrv. I am in lack of time today, but if you think it is worth it, I can test these modules one by one to see if it gets better?

Thank you
Sigmund

[artsown]

I can confirm (I think) LateAdopter's observation of abnormal behaviour
when mounting and unmounting partitions. I did a "from scratch" frugal
of 7.9.7 on hard drive.

Sequence:
1. mount sda2, and the window shows contents ok
2. unmount sda2 and see a blank window
3. mount sda2 and see a blank window

As a check on (presumably) normal behavior I did the same thing in
tahrpup64:

Sequence:
1. mount sda2 and the window shows contents ok
2, unmount sda2 and the window disappears ok
3, mount sda2 and the window shows contents ok

Edit: Weird! After a reboot to 7.9.7 I'm seeing normal behavior!

Art

[Terry H]

New clean manual frugal install of 7.9.7 on Sandisk Ultra Fit 32GB USB Flash drive, running on Dell Latitude 3350 Corei3-5005U.
All working well. Great job 666philb. Thank you.

The code that generated the save2flash.desktop and wrote it to /root/desktop used to be located in /etc/rc.d/rc.sysinit. That no longer seems to be the case in this latest release. I've searched for it and am unable to find where it is produced, so as well as being moved the code probably has changed also.

Could someone point me in the right direction, as I usually copy the desktop file to /usr/share/applications, then i comment out the code to stop it from appearing on desktop.

[Revolverve]

Hi all,
For 7.9.7 on i5 4th gen motion r12 tabletpc lick/boot ,manual frugal/ntfs that pc did not like .6 isos kernel;its fine with.7 kernel

everything that worked in .6 is the same,but:
-mounting,unmount mount problem here too:
EXT4-fs (sda5): mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. Opts: (null)
EXT4-fs (sda6): mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. Opts: (null)
same symptoms with ntfs ,show empty folder but does not log change
note:restartx ,mount ok ,unmount,remount ,no go again.

else
-restartx run ppm still get sticky splash----xerr--- gtkdialog: ../../src/xcb_io.c:165: dequeue_pending_request: Assertion `!xcb_xlib_unknown_req_in_deq' failed.
/usr/local/petget/pkg_chooser.sh: line 743: 29263 Aborted gtkdialog -p PPM_GUI

philb booting delay you wrote?did not notice that!
keep up the good works.

[Billtoo]

I installed to the hard drive of my HP desktop:

System: Host: puppypc16092 Kernel: 4.19.4 x86_64 (64 bit) Desktop: JWM 2.3.7 Distro: bionicpup64 7.9.7
Machine: Device: desktop System: Hewlett-Packard product: p7-1246s serial: MXX232077R
Mobo: Foxconn model: 2ADA v: 1.00 BIOS: AMI v: 7.12 date: 06/07/2012
CPU: Quad core Intel Core i5-3550 (-MCP-) speed/max: 1917/3301 MHz
Graphics: Card: Intel Xeon E3-1200 v2/3rd Gen Core processor Graphics Controller
Display Server: X.org 1.19.6 driver: intel tty size: 192x33 Advanced Data: N/A for root
Network: Card-1: Ralink RT5390 Wireless 802.11n 1T/1R PCIe driver: rt2800pci
Card-2: Realtek RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller driver: r8169
Drives: HDD Total Size: 2000.4GB (0.3% used)
Weather: Conditions: 36 F (2 C) - light rain Time: November 27, 1:57 PM EST
Info: Processes: 137 Uptime: 37 min Memory: 290.0/11900.3MB Client: Shell (bash) inxi: 2.3.8

Added applications with PPM.
It's working okay so far,
Thanks.

EDIT: I had to add "intel_pstate=disable" no quotes to the kernel line of the menu.lst file, CPU frequency Scaling Tool wouldn't work without it.

[mikeslr]

Hi phil & All,

I indicated in my prior post that I didn't use mtpaint. That isn't exactly true. To edit graphics I use gimp. But I use mtpaint very often for another reason. I prefer it to all other applications for taking desktop snapshots. See this post: http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic. ... 180#991180 to which is attached a pet version of the script 01micko wrote.

With mtpaint and the contents of the script (all of 5.51 kbs -- probably less if just its contents are used) the size of the ISO can be reduced as other snapshot applications can be offered for any who prefer them via quickpet or PPM.

[davids45]

G'day,

The Boot Manager is still not loading Modules (as per earlier post in this thread (page 17, but other new Pups were also affected -
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 03#1008703 ).

On my circa 2006 computer, very slow start up compared to older Pups with older kernels.

Both issues may be woof-related?

I modified my all-in-one applications sfs to remove my LibreOffice and Gimp links so I am using those in BionicPup797.
All other things seem OK so far.

Thanks,

David S.

[bigpup]

Bionicpup64 7.9.7

If you keep Gimp. I vote to go back to MtPaint.

Gimp has a menu>Graphic entry, but it is named GNU Image Manipulation Program.
I know, Gimp is short for that.
gimp.desktop file needs name info changed to Gimp.
Is all that other stuff, in the gimp.desktop file, really needed?

[ETP]

Hi Phil,

Another manual frugal install to the 3rd (f2fs) partition on a 16GB USB3 stick. Syslinux 4.04 boot.
No problems found and subjectively it feels quicker.
Pale Moon updated to 28.2.1
Items so far installed: (Plus fredx181´s rshift-portable-64-v3.tar.gz)

• —— /root/.packages/user-installed-packages ——
  
  flashplayer-31.0.0.153-x86_64|Adobe Flash Player browser plugin and Preferences
  Thunderbird64_release_channel-60.3.1|Custom definition for Thunderbird
  JWM_themes_update-2.0|JWM themes - support jwm >= 2.3.0
  BBC_CBSN_TV_Panel_Any_Pup_using_mpv-2018MK2|none
  startup_sound-mk4|Provides Startup sound(s) plus Internet connection alarm
  lockstate-1.5-x86_64_ETP|CapsLock, NumLock, ScrollLock tray indicator app
  opera-stable_56.0.3051.116_amd64|Fast and secure web browser
  hardinfo_0.5.1+git20180227-1|Displays system information
  chromium-codecs-ffmpeg-extra_70.0.3538.77|Extra ffmpeg codecs for the Chromium Browser
  libgtkmm-3.0-1v5_3.22.2-2|C++ wrappers for GTK+ shared libraries
  libgtop-2.0-11_2.38.0|gtop system monitoring library shared
  libgtop2-common_2.38.0|gtop system monitoring library common
  gnome-system-monitor_3.28.2|Process viewer and system resource monitor for GNOME

Slideshow: (Just 3 slides, no audio)

https://photos.app.goo.gl/KLccViqZbhdYbZNR7
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[belham2]

Hi Phil & all,

Well, I've tried every which way I can think, and cannot get Palemoon to function correctly in spot. It set up there (in Spot) correctly, all other Palemoon folders were deleted out of root, it runs well. But below (pic) is what I get trying to download anything from anywhere (i.e. murga or wherever). Is anyone else experiencing this in 7.9.7??



[UPDATE 30mins later]
Well, installed Chromium from PPM, and wouldn't you know, same thing. This is the 2nd frugal install and the same thing is happening. Not sure how no one else is not seeing this, or do you all run your browsers as root all the time???

[Update 2---10 mins after 1st update]
Just plain weird. Firefox just installed from PPM, then Spot script run, and Firefox opens in Spot, runs well, and downloads, unlike Chromium and the included Palemoon in 7.9.7. Just weird, strange permission things going on..... all in frugal installs.

[belham2]

[Update 3]

Well, it gets even weirder.

Downloaded (using the working Firefox, installed from PPM, running in Spot) the latest Palemoon, 28.2.1

Used pArchive to get at it.

Then went to /opt (where Palemoon that comes with 7.9.7) is located.

Deleted everything in the Palemoon /opt folder.

Copied everything over from the downloaded 28.2.1 into /opt


And wouldn't you know, Bob is your Uncle, now Palemoon and permissions and downloads are working correctly. Was it the fact that the included Palemoon in the 7.9.7 ISO was not working correctly? I find that hard to believe. Maybe I got a bad download....but the md5 checked out.

Will keep at Chromium to see if I can get it going.



[Update 4]

Got Chromium working in Spot now, did the same thing to it as I did to Palemoon (download, wipe its content folder, and copy everything over). This all leads me to think I got a partially scrambled download on my end of the ISO.

Only thing now is cannot get Palemoon nor Firefox (despite linking everything in /usr/lib64/apulse folder to the usr/lib64//firefox folder), can't get either one of them to play sound. But Chromium does, so, goodbye to Palemoon and Firefox.

[TTFOSS]

@666PhilB

BionicPup64 7.9.7 iso file.

I have no problem creating a non-root user, setting up permissions and logging in as that user.

xwin always failed with permission errors so I only ever used it as root.


When I try to start X using
/usr/bin/xinit $HOME/.xinitrc -- -br -nolisten tcp
or
/usr/lib/xorg/Xorg :0 -br -nolisten tcp

I get the following error messages in the log/screen

modeset(0): drmSetMaster failed: permission denied

Fatal server error: (EE) AddScreen/ScreenInit failed for driver 0

It is a common error according to
x.org/wiki/FAQErrorMessages

"This kind of problem typically occurs when you're using a big monitor with an old graphics card. You can solve it by deleting some of the highest resolutions of the deepest colour mode in the Screen section of your xorg.conf, or even the whole last Display subsection"

I tried many different combinations using xorgwizard with no improvement.
BTW the display using xorgwizard looks bad (distorted).

Have tried to set chmod 4755 on X and xinit with no luck.
As a non-root user the command "sudo xinit ..." will start X but as user root.

I am not sure the above information is helpful or indicative of the real problem.


I am trying to test the BionicPup64 7.9.7 iso on a 64bit Win-dozer-7 system using VirtualBox 5.2.22 (latest version and yes I should be using Linux but that machine is a long story that need not be discussed on this forum).

In previous Puppy-derived systems running X as a non-root user was simply a matter of modifying the inittab file (to remove the auto-login), opening up some permissions in the /dev directory and starting X with a one line script (calling xinit).

This time around I am having a tough time figuring out the permissions to hack the system.

I had similar display problems with QuirkyBionicBeaver64 8.7.1

It would be great if you could help solve this problem.
I am certainly willing to test any solution that you can get to work.


If I am not able to run X as a non-root user then I will keep looking for another system.

I have no problems running X with either FatDog64 7.2.1 or AntiX64 17.2 Full as a non-root user on the test machine.


Thanks

[Revolverve]

About .7 mount/unmount empty rox thing, refresh(reload) rox and everything show up .

Unrelated question out of simple curiosity:
If the answer is obvious...probably will bump in blank reply..could have ask it on fatdog or upupbb/cc topics:
startx and xwin use to gave same result??
in tahrpup it did!
Why asking? learning...
how come?
Ctrl-Alt-Backspace goes to prompt,
if:startx= goes to x + exit/restart graphical server goes to prompt.
if:xwin= goes to x + exit/restart graphical server goes to x.

[bigpup]

I can confirm LateAdopter's observation of abnormal behavior
when mounting and unmounting partitions. I did a "from scratch" frugal of 7.9.7

It seems that when you click on a desktop drive icon.
Rox seems to open and is not a fresh display of the drive.
Seems to be same view from last time the icon was clicked on.

If you have Rox window displaying drive contents.
Click on drive icon to unmount.
Rox window goes blank, but does not close.
Close Rox window.
Click on drive icon to mount it.
Rox opens with a blank window.
Click on the Rox window refresh and it now shows drive contents.

[666philb]

bigpup and LateAdopter,

i've also noticed some oddness with rox, where clicks aren't registered.
does this older rox fix it for you? (note root warning hasn't been removed)
http://distro.ibiblio.org/puppylinux/te ... ox_old.pet