Is there interest in an Arch32 Pup???

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musher0 · #41 Post by **musher0** » Sat 15 Feb 2020, 19:14

Hi, peebee and all.

First test of Arch32Pup.

Internet wizard says it can see the connection but not connect to it, both with BK's simple
script and the slightly bigger connection script by "Forgot his name" (sorry). I tried
resetting the BIOS before rebooting (for port recognition), to no avail.

The other apps and utilities I tested work ok. This will be a nice traditional Pup,
once debugged. Thanks again, peebee.

BFN.

darry19662018 · #42 Post by **darry19662018** » Sat 15 Feb 2020, 19:55

mavrothal wrote:Hmmm, I wonder how you managed to build Archpup as Arch support has been removed from woof some time now.
As a result PPM, 0setup etc do not know how to handle Arch packages and databases.
Not sure how functional the removed code might still be, but using PPM from Tahrpup-6.0.5, (the last one with Arch support) might give an idea.
BTW RedHat/Scientific was also removed back then by Igu.

I didn't want to say this but I will - a short sighted move should never have happened considering Ubuntu 32bit has gone down the tubes and the removal of Devuan - oh well!!

peebee · #43 Post by **peebee** » Sat 15 Feb 2020, 20:47

mavrothal wrote:Hmmm, I wonder how you managed to build Archpup

Quite a long story involving a fair degree of "jiggery pokery"

mavrothal · #44 Post by **mavrothal** » Sat 15 Feb 2020, 21:31

peebee wrote:
mavrothal wrote:Hmmm, I wonder how you managed to build Archpup
Quite a long story involving a fair degree of "jiggery pokery"

You might want to revert the arch-deleting commit and start from there, instead...

I managed to get 0setup going with minimal changes in the original.
However is still no good as find_cat although is statically compiled segfaults so can not go all the way to database update.
Do you have a devx to recompile and see if it behaves?

s243a · #45 Post by **s243a** » Sat 15 Feb 2020, 23:48

mavrothal wrote:
peebee wrote:
mavrothal wrote:Hmmm, I wonder how you managed to build Archpup
Quite a long story involving a fair degree of "jiggery pokery"
You might want to revert the arch-deleting commit and start from there, instead...

Pebee's version of 0setup worked for me. I did need to change one file and add one missing file (see post), but the 0setup part was good.

That said, it would be worth inquiring what changes that peebee made. These may be the same changes that you tried. I might do a file comparison to see if there are any meaningful differences between yours and pebees version.

I managed to get 0setup going with minimal changes in the original.
However is still no good as find_cat although is statically compiled segfaults so can not go all the way to database update.
Do you have a devx to recompile and see if it behaves?

I didn't have this issue (with Pebee's iso), granted I did my testing on a sandbox. I'll have to try a live boot to make sure that everything still works.

BTW, if you want I can make an awk version of find_cat. I already did most of the work.

musher0 · #46 Post by **musher0** » Sun 16 Feb 2020, 00:57

Hellooo-o?

Anybody has a hint to share about my Internet connection not working in Arch32Pup?
Ref.: http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic. ... st#1050454

TIA.

norgo · #47 Post by **norgo** » Sun 16 Feb 2020, 02:07

Hello @musher0

I guess you are talking about a wifi connection ?
You cand see the networks around but it's not possible to connect ?
Sounds like missing firmware.

open a terminal an type modinfo [kernelmodul-name]
you should see what firmware is needed and where to place [/lib/firmware/shown-fw-path]

# modinfo rtl8192cu
filename: /lib/modules/5.4.17-lxpup64/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/realtek/rtlwifi/rtl8192cu/rtl8192cu.ko
firmware: rtlwifi/rtl8192cufw_TMSC.bin
firmware: rtlwifi/rtl8192cufw_B.bin
firmware: rtlwifi/rtl8192cufw_A.bin
firmware: rtlwifi/rtl8192cufw.bin
description: Realtek 8192C/8188C 802.11n USB wireless
license: GPL
author: Larry Finger <Larry.Finger@lwfinger.net>
author: Ziv Huang <ziv_huang@realtek.com>
author: Georgia <georgia@realtek.com>
alias: usb:v7392p7822d*dc*dsc*dp*ic*isc*ip*in*
alias: usb:v2357p0100d*dc*dsc*dp*ic*isc*ip*in*
alias: usb:v20F4p624Dd*dc*dsc*dp*ic*isc*ip*in*
alias: usb:v2019pAB2Bd*dc*dsc*dp*ic*isc*ip*in*

after that you can search for the needed fw at your system
if not present it's easy to add

musher0 · #48 Post by **musher0** » Sun 16 Feb 2020, 03:29

Thanks norgo.

I have no wifi, just a good old ethernet cable connection.
It says < enp0s19 > as the interface. Port is ether0.

TIA.

musher0 · #49 Post by **musher0** » Sun 16 Feb 2020, 04:33

lshw says the device is:

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[~]>lshw -quiet -short | grep enp0
/0/100/13         enp0s19         network     RTL-8100/8101L/8139 PCI Fast Ethernet Adapter

TIA.

musher0 · #50 Post by **musher0** » Sun 16 Feb 2020, 04:37

Ok. Where is it?

[~]>modinfo rtl8100
modinfo: ERROR: Module rtl8100 not found.

[~]>modinfo rtl8101
modinfo: ERROR: Module rtl8101 not found.

[~]>modinfo rtl8139
modinfo: ERROR: Module rtl8139 not found.

TIA

norgo · #51 Post by **norgo** » Sun 16 Feb 2020, 10:28

Hi @musher0

okay,

in case of hardware problems please always post the vendor und device id
for ethernet please type
lspci -nn | grep -i ethernet to get [vendor:device ID]

Because you got an interface name I assume a kernelmodule is already loaded and in usage
maybe one of the following modules ? I guess it is.

if not, check whether vendor and device id is present in modinfo output of these modules

type modinfo 8139too > /root/my-documents/modinfo_8139too.txt
type modinfo 8139cp > /root/my-documents/modinfo_8139cp.txt

if so, load the matching module
type modprobe -v 8139too or modprobe -v 8139cp

but actually module should become loaded automatically
good luck

musher0 · #52 Post by **musher0** » Sun 16 Feb 2020, 16:36

Thanks, norgo. Will try. BFN.

OscarTalks · #53 Post by **OscarTalks** » Sun 16 Feb 2020, 18:44

Hello musher0,
Do you mean that your ethernet does not connect automatically at boot or are you saying that it still will not connect when you try to do so manually with one of the network tools/wizards ?
I was just wondering if the problem is caused by the interface naming (not being "eth0") in which case I am not sure if you know that if you use the boot parameter net.ifnames=0 you can force the name to be eth0 instead of something like enp0s19 which the networking tools might be struggling with.

s243a · #54 Post by **s243a** » Tue 18 Feb 2020, 00:31

I was able to use a sandbox that I created using the arch32pup as a chroot directory for an ssh server. For instructions see:
SSH/sandbox/chroot folder

The host system was dpupbuster64. This shows that the xauth package is probably working correctly. Not sure what else it might test.

peebee · #55 Post by **peebee** » Wed 19 Feb 2020, 10:48

For testers: delta to +6

Some desktop drive icon mount fixes from @norgo (unmount still problems)

PPM installs some packages but not all - special 0setup just for Arch32Pup allows repo databases to be updated. However all package sizes are set to 999 to in effect disable size checking. Installed packages is only updated after PPM restart.

Philosophy - the only reason to have an Arch32Pup is because the Arch32Linux repos are bigger and better than Slackware. So unless PPM can be made to work 100% with the Arch32Linux repo databases Arch32Pup is no go.

There are also problems because Arch32Linux is SystemD based and because it uses different locations for some key basic apps. These problems are probably overcomeable but only with a considerable degree of effort and testing.

So............ what does this mean????

Maybe a better approach would be to have an Arch32Linux add-on for Slackware based pups to give access to the Arch32Linux repos? Would probably include GTK+3 and Qt5 and Python3???

(n.b. I don't personally use PPM - I much prefer to get packages from many places using pkgs.org etc. and then create sfs's for frugal installs only.....)

s243a · #56 Post by **s243a** » Wed 19 Feb 2020, 13:10

peebee wrote:For testers: delta to +6

Some desktop drive icon mount fixes from @norgo (unmount still problems)

PPM installs some packages but not all - special 0setup just for Arch32Pup allows repo databases to be updated. However all package sizes are set to 999 to in effect disable size checking. Installed packages is only updated after PPM restart.

I thought I fixed the "size checking" issue in my previous post:

s243a wrote:Starting at line #263 of /usr/local/petget/installpreview.sh

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   INSTALLEDSIZEK=$(echo "$INSTALLEDSIZEK + $ADDSIZEK" | bc )
   echo "$INSTALLEDSIZEK" > /tmp/petget_proc/petget_installedsizek
  done < $ONEDEPSLIST
  INSTALLEDSIZEK=`cat /tmp/petget_proc/petget_installedsizek`
 done
 MOREFRAMES="`cat /tmp/petget_proc/petget_moreframes`"
 
 INSTALLEDSIZEM=$(echo "$INSTALLEDSIZEK / 1024" | bc)
 MSGWARN2="$(gettext "If that looks OK, click the 'Install' button...")"
 testSIZEK=$(echo "$INSTALLEDSIZEK / 3" | bc )
 testSIZEK=$(echo "$INSTALLEDSIZEK + $testSIZEK" | bc)
 testSIZEK=$(echo "$testSIZEK + 8000" | bc)
 testSIZEK=$(printf "%.0f\n" $testSIZEK) #https://bits.mdminhazulhaque.io/linux/round-number-in-bash-script.html
 [ $testSIZEK -gt $SIZEFREEK ] && MSGWARN2="$(gettext "Not too good! recommend that you make more space before installing -- see 'Resize personal storage file' in the 'Utility' menu.")"

https://pastebin.com/tjp4axbB

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 28#1050428

but I confess I only verified that the ppm worked and didn't inspect the repo DB.

s243a · #57 Post by **s243a** » Wed 19 Feb 2020, 14:34

peebee wrote: Philosophy - the only reason to have an Arch32Pup is because the Arch32Linux repos are bigger and better than Slackware. So unless PPM can be made to work 100% with the Arch32Linux repo databases Arch32Pup is no go.

There are also problems because Arch32Linux is SystemD based and because it uses different locations for some key basic apps. These problems are probably overcomeable but only with a considerable degree of effort and testing.

So............ what does this mean????

Maybe a better approach would be to have an Arch32Linux add-on for Slackware based pups to give access to the Arch32Linux repos? Would probably include GTK+3 and Qt5 and Python3???

I'm enjoying the little testing that I've done so far. Threfore, I hope you continue with this but I know that you have a lot of balls (i.e. puppy projects) in the air (i.e. in development). If you later on decide not to continue, I hope that you provide instructions for how to build an arch32pup, in case someone else wants to continue your efforts.

One thing that I will be testing on arch32pup is Sc0ttman's package manager (i.e. pkg). If we get the repo update scripts working with pkg, then one could use arch repos in any puppy.

peebee · #58 Post by **peebee** » Wed 19 Feb 2020, 14:55

s243a wrote:I thought I fixed the "size checking" issue in my previous post:

I found some packages still failed to install even with your fix.

peebee · #59 Post by **peebee** » Wed 19 Feb 2020, 14:56

s243a wrote:One thing that I will be testing on arch32pup is Sc0ttman's package manager (i.e. pkg). If we get the repo update scripts working with pkg, then one could use arch repos in any puppy.

Replacing PPM with pkg is a possibility - but it still needs repo databases in a sensible format....

s243a · #60 Post by **s243a** » Wed 19 Feb 2020, 15:22

peebee wrote:
s243a wrote:I thought I fixed the "size checking" issue in my previous post:
I found some packages still failed to install even with your fix.

For testing purposes please let us know which packages aren't installing via the ppm. I'm intered both in the case of my fix and also with size checking disabled as you have done.

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