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Vector Linux is great!
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BarryK
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PostPosted: Mon 23 May 2005, 12:03    Post_subject:  Vector Linux is great!  

First impression... fantastic!

I downloaded Vector Linux 5.0STD beta2.

I've done a test install onto a 4G partition, and there was a moment of consternation when it gave an error message "Cannot mount /dev/hda3 ..."
The install-to-hard drive script offered a choice of reiserfs, ext3 or ext2, but it turns out that ext3 is not supported ...it is a module, but not available during installation. A hiccup there.
So I chose ext2, which worked, but I think reiserfs is built-in to the kernel, so will choose that next time.

VL has so much great stuff, and so fast!
I'm running VL right now, Firefox 1.0.2.

Window manager is IceWM.

Okay, I'm going to throw out Mandrake 10.2, install VL into the vacated 30G partition, then see about downloading packages for development.
Very interesting package manage tools, haven't looked closely at them yet.
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EarlSmith

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PostPosted: Mon 23 May 2005, 15:41    Post_subject:  

So Barry is this official, vector 5.0 STD is the new development standard enviroment or are you still evaluating?
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Flash
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PostPosted: Mon 23 May 2005, 15:56    Post_subject:  

What the...? The smileys are moving! Anyway, congratulations Barry on ditching Mandrake. Does this mean I didn´t need to install Mdk 9.2 over 10.2 after all? Confused Not that it really matters. Smile
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Alienx


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PostPosted: Mon 23 May 2005, 16:18    Post_subject: Re: Vector Linux is great!  

BarryK wrote:
First impression... fantastic!


BarryK wrote:
Window manager is IceWM.


Rolling Eyes

please, don' t forget it... Wink

Very Happy

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JohnMurga
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PostPosted: Mon 23 May 2005, 16:37    Post_subject:  

Hey

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So Barry is this official, vector 5.0 STD is the new development standard enviroment or are you still evaluating?


I am hoping it'll still be possible to use other distros, just maybe not quite as easy as the "officially supported" one ?

Although I guess I'd try VL5 if I had to Wink
(I may have been a bit too forceful about my opinions about VL 4.3 vs Debian - Sorry GuestToo).

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PostPosted: Mon 23 May 2005, 16:41    Post_subject:  

Barry, I got to tell ya, I used Vector Linux in my old laptops with limited memory (older versions) with 32 mb memory or less. It ran very well with XFCE. Looks like this will be very good consideration for Puppy. I will be interesetd in seeing the progress.
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GuestToo
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PostPosted: Mon 23 May 2005, 17:51    Post_subject:  

the main point i was making about Ubantu, is that it is Debian-based, but somewhat modified, so there can be problems installing standard debs in Ubantu ... this is a problem that any distro has that is based on Debian but isn't exactly pure Debian ... i had the gaim problem with Libranet, which at one time was the only distro that was an easy way to install a Debian based system ... there seemed to be no way to install a newer version of gaim using apt-get, that didn't download hundreds of megs of system files that would break Libranet

i don't really like Gnome, or XFCE, or Ubantu ... just my personal preferences ... i know lots of people do like them

VL is based on Slack, but lighter, leaner, faster, and easier-to-install ... it was originally intended to be used on older hardware ... it does have some peculiarities, but i find it does most things i want it to do quickly and easily and efficiently ... which is why i like it, i guess

i'm not sure that it would be ideal to base Puppy on VL ... it does have it's limitations ... it doesn't have much of a package system (neither does Slack)
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PostPosted: Mon 23 May 2005, 18:58    Post_subject:  

Hey

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the main point i was making about Ubantu, is that it is Debian-based, but somewhat modified, so there can be problems installing standard debs in Ubantu


Granted, case in point ... Installing the Freeciv 2 ".debs" in Ubuntu seems like a problem (as it complains about the GTK version), but then again all you have to do is pass "--force-ignore-depends" to dpgk and it'll install and work (because dependency information was for the GTK version it was compiled with as opposed to the minimun required).

The problem then is that Debian/Ubuntu knows you did this and may try to "fix" it unless you "lock" the package ... Trust me, this is poetry in motion when you know how it works and how to control it, but can be disaster if you don't (which I guess is not that good after all ... erm Smile ).

Synaptic also allows you do these things, but I don't always trust GUIs ...

Anyway, whatever Barry comes up I'll try to port to Debian, unless he makes it hard for me Wink

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BarryK
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PostPosted: Mon 23 May 2005, 22:24    Post_subject:  

Well, it is still evaluation stage.

GuestToo, perhaps you can answer this: I dragged all of the Unleashed Rox-Filer package over to Vector, and it starts up fine from a terminal -- type "rox" and there is is. But, from Rox I dragged the rox executable onto the desktop, and there was a shortcut -- hey, that surprised me -- anyway, the shortcut just executes /usr/local/bin/rox, so seems simple enough, except that Rox doesn't work properly -- there's an error message that it can't read /root/Choices properly -- but, it is there.
So, do you have any idea what is going on here?
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EarlSmith

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PostPosted: Tue 24 May 2005, 00:29    Post_subject:  

Have you ever considered using Debian. The latest version named Sarge will be released May 30, 2005. Other small versions of linux like DSL are based on Debian. With a new stable realease it may be worth considering.
It would also fit in with my earlier comment about having a stable release and a bleeding edge version of Puppy.
I know nothing about the needs of developers, but it is a large stable distribution. It might save you guys the time of developing everything yourselves.
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GuestToo
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PostPosted: Tue 24 May 2005, 02:54    Post_subject:  

BarryK wrote:


I dragged all of the Unleashed Rox-Filer package over to Vector, and it starts up fine from a terminal -- type "rox" and there is is. But, from Rox I dragged the rox executable onto the desktop, and there was a shortcut -- hey, that surprised me -- anyway, the shortcut just executes /usr/local/bin/rox, so seems simple enough, except that Rox doesn't work properly -- there's an error message that it can't read /root/Choices properly -- but, it is there.
So, do you have any idea what is going on here?


yes, i know what's going on

rox-filer is in an application dir ... all the files are in the dir, and the dir has it's own icon, and if you click the icon it will run AppRun in the dir ... and you can drag the appdir icon to the desktop and can click it to run it

VL has a newer version of Rox-filer ... it has some nice features that the older one doesn't have, but the feature i really miss that Puppy's rox doesn't have is that the newest files are highlighted in a rox window so you can find them easily

the reason for the error messages, is the newer version of rox uses different config files in Choices and they are incompatible with the older config files
i tried running VLs rox-filer in Puppy, (i backed up Choices first) and it ran pretty well (for a short time ... it doesn't work right because it has no mime configs) ... it converted all the Puppy config files to the newer version ... trouble is, the newer rox requires a support library for the file mime settings, or the newer version would work ok in Puppy

if you want to run the older version of rox, you will have to use the older Choice files too ... they are mutually incompatible

i don't think there's an option to use a different dir for the config files, but as a workaround, maybe you could use su to run rox as a different user, which would use Choices in that home dir ... maybe something like:

#!/bin/sh
#script to run older rox
su spot -c /home/spot/bin/rox "$@"
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PostPosted: Tue 24 May 2005, 03:07    Post_subject: Development  

The consideration for developers - or the underdeveloped in my case - is a little different to just what is a good or a fun distro.
Shocked
Debian is based on Slack {perhaps not - see death threat in next post]
Slack is the oldest of the distros still going. In a sense it is the purest and maybe closest to Puppy, which is kind of a return to a "start from scratch philosophy"

I would be much happier using Vector Linux for compiling (rather than VanDriver aka Mandrake), once I get around to that, as the download for Vector 4.3 is 333meg. It is also a good idea that development stadardises on a compile environment. Another reason why Vector is good - both our Master Pups (Barry and GuestToo) like it. However John is also compiling Puppys and others may too. If anyone runs into probs they need help with, it is good to be aware of what tools are available and how to use them.

However Developers are an independent lot and trying to organise them is as someone said of organising programmers 'like herding cats'.

Puppy philosophy is simpler . . . and friskier

If it works - frisk!


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PostPosted: Tue 24 May 2005, 09:58    Post_subject:  

Hey

Code:
Debian is based on Slack


People have been killed for less ...

In actual fact it is Slack that copied aplt with slapt (or whatever they called it).

A little know fact is they actually started around the same time :

Debian
http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/ch-intro.en.html#s1.1
Slackware
http://www.jeepster.org.uk/history.html

I first installed Slackware in 1995 (ish - I think), I was a Windows 95 beta tester for my company at the time and although I got it running pretty well it put me off Linux for a few years... But I did love the platypus on the cover of the CD Wink

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PostPosted: Tue 24 May 2005, 10:29    Post_subject: History of Debian rewritten  

Embarassed
Tee Hee - ignorance is the only way I learn . . .

I am gonna have another look at SLAX as a forfeit - which is a nice looking and easy slackware - just to see if I prefer it to Vector (which from what I remember I will)

Yep I had a look at the "Kill Bill" edition which I downloaded about a month ago. I think I will stick with Puppy . . .

Then I am gonna stand in the corner and mutter for a while . . .

PS. I never got a Platypus (see next post)

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PostPosted: Tue 24 May 2005, 11:05    Post_subject:  

Hey

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PS. I never got a Platypus.


This may be the CD I had :



But they had the platypus for a while



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