Indexing of pages in Puppylinux.org
[Edit] Time to act
EDIT: Barry now has a redirection page from the root index.php, so he can direct the index to a directory of his choice. I suggest we use "wikka/" for this. Wikka already functions as CMS, and there should be no issue about formatting 'coz it is a Wiki. Also, we have seen that its pages placed well in search engine rankings. Barry can also restrict access to (some or all) pages, so a degree of control can be achieved (he actually posted about this already).
However, it may be useful to give a few people chance for experimenting with alternative CMS (like Drupal) or a directory script for directing people to Puppy-related pages. I will confine my option/testing to a solution requiring only PHP, so my need will be as before, only access to one directory, call it "simple" as of now. Even the writeable property may be dispensed with.
I suggest Puppian be given a chance to experiment, too. He's been prolific in writing HTML pages inside the Wiki. Maybe you can come up with some collaborative tool for HTML writing, Puppian Will support you there
Cheers!
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Good discussion going. Thanks.
Consider this: http://dsiware.com - a very simple but search-friendly CMS. Its access begins at the root (index.php outside of its folders), so the redirection problem is solved. It also separates formatting and content. However, it does require PHP and MySQL. Barry, you can try it in your pupweb.org site.
Its featured WYSIWYG editors are Htmlarea and Tinymce. Thus, even non-IE browsers will enjoy WYSIWYG.
Using CMS like this will require that the author has access to one MySQL database in the website (the database name, username, and password for that database only).
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More EDIT: Puppian, you gave me a good idea there - to keep enriching the NoFrames part of my index page so Google (for example) will have the latest, simplest and most complete info about my website all the time! Puppian, you may not believe in angels, but you've just become one
However, it may be useful to give a few people chance for experimenting with alternative CMS (like Drupal) or a directory script for directing people to Puppy-related pages. I will confine my option/testing to a solution requiring only PHP, so my need will be as before, only access to one directory, call it "simple" as of now. Even the writeable property may be dispensed with.
I suggest Puppian be given a chance to experiment, too. He's been prolific in writing HTML pages inside the Wiki. Maybe you can come up with some collaborative tool for HTML writing, Puppian Will support you there
Cheers!
----------- Original Post below:
Good discussion going. Thanks.
Consider this: http://dsiware.com - a very simple but search-friendly CMS. Its access begins at the root (index.php outside of its folders), so the redirection problem is solved. It also separates formatting and content. However, it does require PHP and MySQL. Barry, you can try it in your pupweb.org site.
Its featured WYSIWYG editors are Htmlarea and Tinymce. Thus, even non-IE browsers will enjoy WYSIWYG.
Using CMS like this will require that the author has access to one MySQL database in the website (the database name, username, and password for that database only).
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More EDIT: Puppian, you gave me a good idea there - to keep enriching the NoFrames part of my index page so Google (for example) will have the latest, simplest and most complete info about my website all the time! Puppian, you may not believe in angels, but you've just become one
That would be great!Pizzasgood wrote:I can donate pieces, or make suggestions/ideas though.
Very well said Pizzasgood Plus "same look across different browsers/OS/screen resoulution".Pizzasgood wrote:Simple guidelines:
No frames
Keep formatting and content separate (may be possible through xml, I've never tried it. Definately possible through creative php use)
Keep styling separate from content (using CSS)
Keep a single navbar file and include it in all pages (PHP or JavaScript. PHP preffered, as JavaScript can be turned off)
Try to rely on JavaScript as little as possible.
Keep a simple, nice look. Think Google. Nice, clean, and fast.
No ugly tables. If you have to have a table, make it decent looking.
Me tooBarryK wrote:I hate it when you're on a page with frames and you click on a link to
another site, but it opens inside a frame on the current site
That's true. I like using our wiki a lot (I learn how to use it from Lobster, Ian, G2, etc, thanks guys!). Wikka lacks in organizing pages (especially when there are many) and navigational convenience thou, since it won't generate sitemap and navigation bar automatically (that's why we have the sitemap and categories maintained manually). On the other hand, some cms is wiki aware (eZ publish for example, look for "Wiki Aware" under "Flexibility"). Drupal has that as a free add on, but I think Drupal may have too many features for us. If using cms as front page, the system can allow collaborating editing between a group e.g, Barry, you, Lobster, G2, Ian, and a few other foundation members who have expressed interest in documentation (I think they are J_Rey and Seth), while still have wikka for community contribution. But yes you're right it's time to act (in the subject line of your post) , redirect index.php to /wikka at the moment is ok for me.raffy wrote:Wikka already functions as CMS
I like iWare http://dsiware.com you suggested, it's simple, easy to use and has a neat navigation bar (to the left of their demo site) I think I like it! The only concern is that it doesn't have 'Advanced Caching' and 'Page Caching', would performance be affected? I am no expert in that Maybe Pizzasgood can tell us Phpwcms suggested by jcagle is cool too, and PHP-Fusion is another simple one.
It's my pleasure [edit: spelling mistake corrected ] to help puppy growraffy wrote:I suggest Puppian be given a chance to experiment, too. He's been prolific in writing HTML pages inside the Wiki. Maybe you can come up with some collaborative tool for HTML writing
You are welcomeraffy wrote:Puppian, you gave me a good idea there..
Your harddisk install tutorial teach me a LOT too!!
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[url=http://puppylinux.org]Puppylinux.org - Community home page of Puppy Linux[/url] hosted by Barry (creator of Puppy), created and maintained by the [url=http://puppylinux.org/user/readarticle.php?article_id=8]Puppy Linux Foundation[/url] since 2005
the wiki links to Install DotPup software from the main page, which looks like this on my machine
i think many people often do not scroll down a page, so they often see only what is at the top of a page
since that page is about downloading dotpups, i think it might be better if the links to the actual dotpup pages were at the top, more like this
i think many people often do not scroll down a page, so they often see only what is at the top of a page
since that page is about downloading dotpups, i think it might be better if the links to the actual dotpup pages were at the top, more like this
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Guys,
I want to forget all about web pages, wiki and other admin for awhile, and concentrate 100% on getting 1.0.6rc ready.
Lobster is now administrator of the new wiki.
I have just sent a personal message to raffy, giving him FTP details for puppylinux.org. Raffy may choose to delegate this access.
...so, go for it guys!
I want to forget all about web pages, wiki and other admin for awhile, and concentrate 100% on getting 1.0.6rc ready.
Lobster is now administrator of the new wiki.
I have just sent a personal message to raffy, giving him FTP details for puppylinux.org. Raffy may choose to delegate this access.
...so, go for it guys!
G2 and Flash
It's nice G2 posted a note about top links being more helpful to readers. I suddenly recalled that the "documentation wheel" has been taking shape long ago.
Let's not forget that G2, Flash and others have done a lot already for what we're discussing. Check out the sticky posts here.
Puppian, iWare is fast. It's the layout (using tables) that used to have setbacks, but maybe those were fixed already (?). While the admin interface is simple, it's not simple enough to ordinary people, so I had to do simplification to the max (Eminima was the result).
EDIT: This post is only a few minutes behind Barry's above. Will try doing something in 12 hours - my current access is not that secure
Let's not forget that G2, Flash and others have done a lot already for what we're discussing. Check out the sticky posts here.
Puppian, iWare is fast. It's the layout (using tables) that used to have setbacks, but maybe those were fixed already (?). While the admin interface is simple, it's not simple enough to ordinary people, so I had to do simplification to the max (Eminima was the result).
EDIT: This post is only a few minutes behind Barry's above. Will try doing something in 12 hours - my current access is not that secure
Most cms will have separate interface for admin and users (just like our wiki) Users (or you can called them content editors) don't need to know all the config (template, themes, modules, etc) stuff and they probable won't see those options in the user interface. There'll be "access control" in the admin panel as well. I don't know if iWare has these thou.raffy wrote:While the admin interface is simple, it's not simple enough to ordinary people
[edit]Raffy, in Drupal I think what config options a user can see is changed by the admin under "administer-->access control" in the left pane. This can differ with different cms
I put the 'What's dotpup' session on top as first time user may not know what's dotpup, and I can see the links on my machine (I think I use a higher resolution ). Something can certainly be done (e.g. shortening the 'what's dotpup' session) to improve thatGuestToo wrote: i think it might be better if the links to the actual dotpup pages were at the top, more like this
[edit]G2, I have changed the page a bit, see if it's better now ...
Btw, here is the Anchor action of Wikka:
http://wikka.jsnx.com/AnchorAction
which allows linking to different parts of a page without using html within "" ""
That feature has been asked by klh sometime ago when he's editing the DotPupContributions page. The action doesn't come with the default installation and needs to be installed before it can be used however.
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more helpers welcome
Thanks BarryBarryK wrote:Guys,
I want to forget all about web pages, wiki and other admin for awhile, and concentrate 100% on getting 1.0.6rc ready.
Lobster is now administrator of the new wiki.
I have just sent a personal message to raffy, giving him FTP details for puppylinux.org. Raffy may choose to delegate this access.
...so, go for it guys!
There is a lot still to do - so any help with the wiki is helping us get a great wiki and support Barrys concentration on Puppy106rc
Many thanks to those helping with the transfer - more helpers welcome. Good chance to update too. Remember a wiki page is live - can always be improved with the latest info . . .
I have released the following pages (which includes Puppy106) for new owners - If you wish to update and maintain this page then cutting edge info is gleaned from Barrys News page (there was some within the last week or two which needs to be added)
Owning a page does not mean other people can not access and edit it - it means you are the one keeping an eye on it
Puppy106 - would suit a cutting edge type
AboutPuppy - would suit anyone - bit of tweaking maybe?
BurningLinuxIsoBasics - would suit someone wanting to learn about this
SpanishLanguage - would suit a Spanish speaker
FrenchLanguage - would suit a French speaker
I will release more soon - so keep an eye open
The pages Barry "owns" are in reality owned by all of us - I created many pages as have others - but anyone can edit any page from their browser . . .
For some pages you have to login
Never used a wiki - now is your chance
Owning a page is a GREAT way of learning about that subject
Great info Lobster
And what's your favourite cms besides PHnotsoPlacid?
Edit: raffy I have tried the demo of iWare but can't find the WYSIWYG feature (I'm using firefox)
On their demo page it says:
Users wishing to make use of the WYSIWYG content authoring interface will need Microsoft Internet Explorer 5.5+. A plain text / HTML interface is also provided for other web browsers...
I had visited your site before when I first started my homepage and wanted to find a news engine for it The download link of PHPlacid seems broken however, so I ended up with something called CuteNews (but now I know that I don't have much news to write about really ) I like reading your recipes btwPizzasgood wrote:news-posting works (it originated as a simple news engine
And what's your favourite cms besides PHnotsoPlacid?
Edit: raffy I have tried the demo of iWare but can't find the WYSIWYG feature (I'm using firefox)
On their demo page it says:
Users wishing to make use of the WYSIWYG content authoring interface will need Microsoft Internet Explorer 5.5+. A plain text / HTML interface is also provided for other web browsers...
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Hmm... I restructured the site a few times since I uploaded that, and I must have missed a spot. It's pretty old though. When I get more caught up with my Puppy projects, I'll go and finish the news-editing, easy-page-creator, and permissions in PHnotsoPlacid then release that. I'm actually going to take a leaf from Mozilla's book and make it modular, so you can just use the parts you want, or the whole thing. They'll still share the same resouces, so installing them separately won't be any less efficient than getting the big one, unlike with Mozilla/Firefox/Thunderbird/etc.
As for the caching, I don't know. I guess it would just speed it up. I'm definately not a CMS expert. I actually made mine based on what I had heard a CMS could do. The closest things to another CMS I've used are the control-panels for my website (cspan, plesk, and vhcs). My knowledge is of how to do stuff by hand, like writing a simple filemanager from scratch, or using PHP and CSS to have pages like this:
turn out like this: www.pizzasgood.com
I kind of like the wiki approach, because that way everything can be kept more up to date. In my experience, the wiki has been somewhat un-unified, but that can be changed, especially if it will be the main substance of the site. If anyone comes up with a general format, I'll go and change all three of my pages to match it
As for the caching, I don't know. I guess it would just speed it up. I'm definately not a CMS expert. I actually made mine based on what I had heard a CMS could do. The closest things to another CMS I've used are the control-panels for my website (cspan, plesk, and vhcs). My knowledge is of how to do stuff by hand, like writing a simple filemanager from scratch, or using PHP and CSS to have pages like this:
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[block]
[title]Browser Load of Coolness[/title]
[text]
Browser Load of Coolness is where I, Pizzasgood, can display my creations. What kind of creations, you ask? Well, how about artwork, LEGOs, ideas, sandwich recipies, and programs for everything from computers to calculators. Please keep in mind that this site is designed to work on standards compliant browsers. If something is funny in, say, IE, thats too bad, and I will probably never fix it.
[/text]
[subtitle]State of the coolness on [currentdate]:[/subtitle]
[text]
Cooler than Queso! Okay, so it's not [i]that[/i] cool yet, but it's getting
there :)
[/text]
[/block]
[=]
[block]
[title]Quote of the Visit[/title]
[text][randomquote][/text]
[/block]
[=]
[updates=5]
[=][=]
[block]
[title]Counter[/title]
[text]
[currentcount]
[/text]
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I kind of like the wiki approach, because that way everything can be kept more up to date. In my experience, the wiki has been somewhat un-unified, but that can be changed, especially if it will be the main substance of the site. If anyone comes up with a general format, I'll go and change all three of my pages to match it
[size=75]Between depriving a man of one hour from his life and depriving him of his life there exists only a difference of degree. --Muad'Dib[/size]
[img]http://www.browserloadofcoolness.com/sig.png[/img]
[img]http://www.browserloadofcoolness.com/sig.png[/img]
Sorry for the delay.
Here are a couple of my web sites that are currently using phpwcms
http://www.caglewebcreations.com (excuse the front page, not much on the front, but just click the link to continue...that web site isn't totally complete yet but will be soon
http://www.enclaveonline.org
Here are a couple of my web sites that are currently using phpwcms
http://www.caglewebcreations.com (excuse the front page, not much on the front, but just click the link to continue...that web site isn't totally complete yet but will be soon
http://www.enclaveonline.org
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I got this - using Flock - never seen that before may be of interest . . .
when visiting the link
when visiting the link
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Internal Server Error
The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request.
Please contact the server administrator, webmaster@caglewebcreations.com and inform them of the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done that may have caused the error.
More information about this error may be available in the server error log.
Additionally, a 404 Not Found error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.
Apache/1.3.34 Server at www.caglewebcreations.com Port 80
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Same here with Firefox. It's the server, not us.
FYI puppian, I fixed the link for PHPlacid. If you do try it, keep in mind it can't edit posts, so you have to do that by hand.
FYI puppian, I fixed the link for PHPlacid. If you do try it, keep in mind it can't edit posts, so you have to do that by hand.
[size=75]Between depriving a man of one hour from his life and depriving him of his life there exists only a difference of degree. --Muad'Dib[/size]
[img]http://www.browserloadofcoolness.com/sig.png[/img]
[img]http://www.browserloadofcoolness.com/sig.png[/img]
cant access FTP
No luck with the FTP server, can't even submit support ticket...
Waiting for help from Barry...
Waiting for help from Barry...
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Re: cant access FTP
Raffy,raffy wrote:No luck with the FTP server, can't even submit support ticket...
Waiting for help from Barry...
I sent you a personal message.
There was an error with the setup of the FTP server, as I had changed the name of the root directory from puppy to puppylinux but forgot to change the ftp account settings. Should work now.
puppylinux.org
Puppylinux.org is online! it has a welcome page and initial links.
For history, this is Oct 30 800 GMT, first working hour at London (except that it is a Sunday )
OK, when is day-off supposed to be?
For history, this is Oct 30 800 GMT, first working hour at London (except that it is a Sunday )
OK, when is day-off supposed to be?