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PostPosted: Sat 23 May 2009, 09:55    Post_subject:  

@ bugman

further information you can get here

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PostPosted: Sat 23 May 2009, 10:41    Post_subject: 090719-updated post
Sub_title: upup-476 testing (standard and IDEretro)
 

___090719___uP476std (Xorg and Xvesa, slight return)
a series of full-size screenies for the bandwidth-profligate from the wm-collection ..
afterstep 288k, blackbox 123k, openbox 195k, jwm-no-Supup 524k and finally jwm-beta 242k
.. afterstep had a few issues menu-wise, blackbox simply 'just works' (enough so that I modded the Spiff style a bit), the newer openbox does a good job of updating the xdg-menu (finally). Jwm in Xorg reverts to the Supup bg on a fresh session boot from liveCD (in Xvesa it doesn't, likewise no issue with jwm menu/tray/header icons/not depending on 16/24 color depth) .. don't know enough about the drawing engines (qiv is a bit quicker at rendering than xli in jwms, enough so that I used it for a 'preload' so conky gets the bg to render a pseudotrans effect without needing any delay) .. there's something with the timing and PuppyPin in Xorg, qiv flashes the desired bg on a cold boot and then the 'custom' PuppyPin0 gets rewritten to point to Supup's default.jpg (which must be somewhere lower in the layers since I've overwritten it a few times) and a fresh set of rox/home, driveicons and trash arrayed as if for an 800x600 display size .. on my usual 1024x768. Other than that minor jwm display puzzlement at cold boot in Xorg, it all seems to be fairly stable as far as I can tell from my limited use.

I seem to recall also that the 'disappearing' pmount gui issue was addressed at some point but the solution reference if it did get solved eludes me at the moment (somewhere in BK's blog?). Noticed in the pP417 bugs thread that the annoying 'two-step' behavior - left click on a mounted-status driveicon brings up a yaf-dialogue rather than simply opening a Rox window for that drive .. yep, that's annoying for those of us in the habit of rightclick,etc to unmount.

___090531___upup-476std with Xorg (minor addition)
Jwm 'no icons' issue - reducing the color depth from 24 to 16 (as per floborg's page 4 post) in /etc/X11/xorg.conf, Section "Screen" is a viable workaround. Unfortunately this will also make finer gradients 'blocky' so it's kind of a compromise.

AfterStep wm is fine with all icons in 24 depth, so I'm thinking it has to do with what engine Jwm is using to draw with and perhaps how it's set up or interacts?

sidenote on xorgwizard - this utility is not so good for me as a means of tweaking in some instances, it gives higher results than my choices such as display size (it's probably ok as a simple Xorg/Xvesa switch or to navigate to edit xorg.conf while out of X) since it seems to have some difficulty with lower display sizes for me. Reading up a bit on Lobster's page 3 link helps a bit ..

___090527___upup-476 std and IDE(retro)
Made a bunch of notes but it boils down to 476-IDE(retro) simply is more stable for me.

Xorg - was even able to get into (in retro), but too much fiddling for minor gains and some drawbacks - more of the enhanced jwm would be nice but it needs to be compiled in I'd imagine to work proper since older betas failed for me (didn't notice any change with the jwm-456-i386.pet and the earlier beta with translucent option cleared the 'usual' Rox wallpaper and driveicons as well as the jwm window decor, menus and trays .. good thing ctrl+alt+bs worked Wink ). Xorg works but as noted by others the jwm menu-icons all fail (mimes, desktop, context & etc all oki but that's all gtk I believe.. all 'interior' and pinboard stuff). Hmm, I'd say jwm looks to be the culprit (icons in dock section of tray are the *only* 'exception' unless that smallish area is gtk) .. no mainmenu, header or tray icons. Blackbox seemed a bit crisper but it's pretty much icon-free. Didn't get a chance to try with AfterStep (which has its own icons and display methods).

.. full-size screenies for upup-476IDE(retro)-289k and upup-476standard-506k

. . . addenda on .sfs/.2fs click-mounting
upup-476 will successfully click-mount/unmount 'other' upup sfs(s) and .2fs savefile(s), but has an anomaly doing so with 'normal' pup sfs(s). It reports a "fail", but the mount-as-such is still present in /mnt (Rox window).. this may result in issues with removeable drives (optical media and thumbdrives, etc) and/or the driveicons or other parts of pup-event management. Dunno, I was a bit more careful with removing the failed mount-as-such item(s) after I noticed them (it may have even contributed to how upup-476std got bollixed on an optical driveicon/mounter for me).

note - used the xdelta to make the 476std iso from 471, but did it the 'old-fashioned' way (since a rename of how I had to save the renamed-as-downloaded-in-win32 wasn't working in pups) .. the xdelta-created iso md5 matches the published md5 for 476std. Thanks again, BK Smile

@bugman - there's a wikipage for xdelta ('old fashioned' way if the new ui's a no-go for ya, I just do the dotpet in whatever pup is handy and follow the fairly simple cl instructions - hth)
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Minnesota

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PostPosted: Sat 23 May 2009, 10:52    Post_subject: alpha 9 calc - Print
Sub_title: Print option hangs up with calc
 

If you select the print option of Calc - Gnumeric...it really hangs things up...(regular upup-746.iso version)

Second booting I was able to kill gnumeric, and the blank print screen, but first time could not even kill it... it also hangs the machine.. no other icons on the desktop will function.

Right click on desktop not functional, F12 did get me main menu.. but restart x did not solve the problem either... bad hang...

Print in Abiword works fine, print in draw bring up print screen, did not try printer.

Tried to test another system, has wireless keyboard... can not enter a thing... hangs at request for language.

Fancy desktop Smile Much more interesting than flat grays...

Greg

Technical question... with systems that have a lot of memory.. is it possible to double buffer the reading of the sfs file to speed loading? Or is it totally a function of the speed of the CD rom or DVD read?
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PostPosted: Sat 23 May 2009, 16:37    Post_subject:  

well, alpha 8 worked great, i am one of those that LIKE the flat gray theme

[thanks, barry, for putting montana in the time zone list Very Happy ]

will try to do some weird tasks and such when i have some time, was surprised that there were apps and such, thought it would be more like tcl or arch [because i am NOT paying attention]

the delta upgrade file completely eluded me, it did nothing at all when clicked or run in a terminal, i must be misreading/misunderstanding something? Sad

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PostPosted: Sat 23 May 2009, 16:48    Post_subject: upup-471 and 476 - xorg fails on Dell 8200  

Booting either upup471 or 476 on my Dell 8200 with Nvidia N11 (Geforce2 MX) video, xorg does not run or runs and stalls. At the point of test in xorgwizard during boot, the screen goes black and keyboard/mouse control is lost. I have to hard power-down. Xvesa works fine. If I then run xorgwizard from the desktop, it likewise fails at the point of "test". Instead of a black screen, a scambled screen apears and all control is lost. I can't see standard out/error in either case.

Xorg in Puppy 4.2.1, 4.2 and 4.1.2 works fine on this Dell.
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PostPosted: Sat 23 May 2009, 17:17    Post_subject:
Sub_title: Network problem
 

Everytime, I have to reconnect my wireless upon bootup. It does not detect the wireless consistently. The saved profile is not being loaded on bootup.

Other than the above, I loved the simple theme and all other stuff that I use in Puppy - like Abiword, GFtp and browser work fine.

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PostPosted: Sat 23 May 2009, 17:43    Post_subject:  

posting from alpha 8 live cd

don't normally use live cd so don't know if this is excessive [but it's feeling mighty slow]

Code:

# free
              total         used         free       shared      buffers
  Mem:       384724       379252         5472            0        54268
 Swap:      1052216         1528      1050688
Total:      1436940       380780      1056160


open apps for above are dialer, seamonkey, gxine [playin' dylan] and of course, rxvt

printed a page w/ cups from abiword, epson stylee

scanned the inside of my epson usb lid [sane has occasionally been a problem for me but has worked nicely in all recent pups]

will install to hard drive and report back[/quote]

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PostPosted: Sat 23 May 2009, 17:56    Post_subject:  

slightly weird/random:

If i try to compile xchat 2.8.6 under the upup alpha 9 the make dies.

However it has compiled perfectly well with all the other puppies including all previous alpha woofs (including those i've built myself using the build scripts)

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PostPosted: Sat 23 May 2009, 17:59    Post_subject:  

now running in frugal install, but still sluggish, and the usage is nearly as bad:

Code:
# free
              total         used         free       shared      buffers
  Mem:       384724       369848        14876            0        52660
 Swap:      1052216          768      1051448
Total:      1436940       370616      1066324
#


same apps, swapped dylan for fela kuti [no help there]

should try a full install, so I can compare with my regular setup . . .

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PostPosted: Sat 23 May 2009, 18:43    Post_subject:  

posting from a full install, same apps

Code:
# free
              total         used         free       shared      buffers
  Mem:       384724       208540       176184            0         8516
 Swap:      1052216            0      1052216
Total:      1436940       208540      1228400
#


so this is better, i suppose an artifact of the install

still wondering about the delta thingie

everything seems to be working great, so???

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PostPosted: Sat 23 May 2009, 19:11    Post_subject:  

okay, back in 4.12, this is not so good--terminal, dialer, sylpheed, firefox, gxine [note there is one EXTRA app and firefox instead of wetmonkey]

Code:
# free
              total         used         free       shared      buffers
  Mem:       385852       149968       235884            0         5396
 Swap:      1052216            0      1052216
Total:      1438068       149968      1288100
#


perhaps it's gxine playing the low-resource prince jammy? i think nuh

why is woof eating so much ram?

and where is the delta_gui?

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PostPosted: Sat 23 May 2009, 20:12    Post_subject:  

Update on the bug fix of ext4 partitions not being detected by upup471.

Great job, the problem is corrected. Using clean frugal installations of both the upup476ide.iso and the upup476.iso, an ext4 partition is detected and can be mounted read/write. Also, Gparted 4.4 properly detects all partitions including the ext4 partition.

Updating pup-save files is a problem. Updating a pup-save file created by 471, with the upup476.iso, pmount cannot detect or mount the ext4 partition. When updating a copy of the same pup-save file with the upup476ide.iso, ext4 is detected and can be mounted. Gparted locks up with both iso.

Thanks,
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PostPosted: Sat 23 May 2009, 21:39    Post_subject: Whoa!  

Just downloaded and installed Upup2 "Jaunty Pup" (upup-476) in preparation for testing Puppy 5.x applications submitted prior to uploading.

On my relatively new ASUS Pro50G series laptop, Pentium T3400 dual core, nVidia Glx graphics and Intel HDA sound I have observed the following from the very first boot:

1. Sound WORKS! Shocked I haven't succeeded in getting sound working on this laptop in Puppy (always worked in Vista and Mint), but Jaunty barked at me straight away! Yeehah!

2. My widescreen 1280x800 actually works too! Cool Previous Xorg drivers identified 1024x768 as the graphics chip maximum on this machine. Pooh to that!

3. Had a problem umounting a drive mounted with the event manager. More on this after more testing. Confused

4. My USB Logitech mouse works fine. Very Happy

In celebration I downloaded a couple of GPL Jaunty wallpapers from gnome-look.org and switched to Smooth colour icons. One happy camper here so far! Arrow

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PostPosted: Sat 23 May 2009, 22:22    Post_subject:  

After installing the Gcompris, it works but no sound. (but video streaming in yahoo works fine)

Tried installing synaptic, some files were installed.

Typing synaptic command on the terminal an error was displayed.

"error while loading shared libraries: libapt-pkg-libc6.9-6.so.4.7: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory"

How to make synaptic package to work in jaunty puppy?
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PostPosted: Sat 23 May 2009, 23:28    Post_subject:  

Downloaded upup-476.iso and burned it to two different DVD+RW disks using Burniso2cd.

DVD+RW #1: This disk previously had Woof alfa 5. I had booted it in my big computer before burning Woof alfa 9 to it, so that when I shut down (choosing to save) alfa 5 would be upgraded to alfa 9. When I booted it after the upgrade the background was psychedelic. The upgrade had changed the default background. Cool. Cool

A few days ago I tried to rip some CDs and convert them to mp3, with Pcdripper in Woof alfa 5 in this big machine, without success. What happened was Pcdripper instantly went to the "Do you want to rip another CD?" as soon as I clicked Go. It didn't rip or convert anything. This had happened before when I had spaces in the path to the save directory, but there were no spaces or other forbidden characters in the path this time, as far as I could see. After upgrading alfa 5 to alfa 9, Pcdripper did the same thing in the big machine. I booted a 4.1.2 DVD in the big machine, and Pcdripper ripped the CD without any problem.

.........

DVD+RW #2: This disk also had Woof alfa 5, but with different settings saved, for a different computer without a hard disk drive. When I shut down after burning Woof alfa 9 to it, the special Puppy background I had chosen for Woof alfa 5 in this computer was kept. No psychedelic background for this Puppy. Smile

Now it gets interesting. Pcdripper in Woof alfa 9 rips CDs fine in this computer, but with an odd thing: the "Free" indicator in the lower right does not change, even as /tmp fills up with 95 MB of mp3 files.

Note that the computer in which Pcdripper worked has no hard disk. Everything is in RAM. The big computer has several hard disks, and they are formatted NTFS so that Windows can share with Puppy.

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