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musher0 · #21 Post by **musher0** » Mon 05 Jan 2015, 17:24

BarryK wrote:Regarding Abiword, this is how I configured it in T2:
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./configure --prefix=/usr --sysconfdir=/etc --localstatedir=/var --build=i686-pc-linux-gnu --disable-gucharmap --enable-print --enable-spell --enable-static --disable-shared --with-gtk2 --enable-plugins="freetranslation gdict grammar mswrite opendocument openwriter openxml pdf wmf"  --disable-default-plugins --without-goffice --without-gnomevfs --with-gio --disable-debug --with-boost
The 'grammar' plugin got linked into the abiword executable, but I think it only works if compiled as a separate plugin.

EDIT:
For 64-bit target, change above to '--build=x86_64-pc-linux-gnu'

Hello, Mr. Kauler.

Abiword is its plugins.

Instead of again giving an incomplete representation of abiword by compiling only a
few of its plug-ins, -- hopefully you are doing so for technical reasons, but whatever
the case may be -- please leave it out and gain some space for the distro. You could
simply provide URL's to direct potential users to both Médor's and shinobar's
excellent Abiword-3 sfs's.

General users and even some of those who write for a living will then have a choice
and be better served since both packages provide a complete word-processing tool,
not a crippled one.

From one who's pushed for years for having the full abiword in Puppy. Puppyists
now have the tremendous chance to have available two complete versions of
abiword 3. Why go backwards, why settle for less?

Best regards.

musher0

~~~~~~~~~
P.S. shinobar's portable abiword-3 is here:
http://shinobar.server-on.net/puppy/opt ... 0.0.tar.gz
Médor's abiword-3.0.0-gtk2_5.7.sfs can be accessed through here:
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic. ... post#777342

linuxcbon · #22 Post by **linuxcbon** » Mon 05 Jan 2015, 17:29

@musher0 the goal is to have a complete puppy, not a incomplete piece of useless.., so bad idea.

musher0 · #23 Post by **musher0** » Mon 05 Jan 2015, 17:50

linuxcbon wrote:@musher0 the goal is to have a complete puppy, not a incomplete piece of useless crap, so bad idea.

Hi, linuxcbon.

If it's useless crap, it shouldn't be in Puppy, period. Viewed from another angle,
maybe you think abiword is crap because you've always been presented a crippled
version of it?

Conversely, if it's in Puppy, it's worth something, and a complete version should
then be presented to avoid misrepresentation, especially to newcomers.

It's too easy to break a guy's legs and then say: "That guy can't run in the race."
Puppy is doing the same thing to abiword. abiword may not be the greatest word-
processor in the world, but it still has its merits.

In my mind it is clear that this is a moral issue, not a computing issue.

Best regards.

musher0

linuxcbon · #24 Post by **linuxcbon** » Mon 05 Jan 2015, 17:52

@musher0 you didnt understand what I meant. I meant the goal is to have abiword, but complete.

musher0 · #25 Post by **musher0** » Mon 05 Jan 2015, 17:57

linuxcbon wrote:@musher0 you didnt understand what I meant. I meant the goal is to have abiword, but complete.

No comment...

linuxcbon · #26 Post by **linuxcbon** » Mon 05 Jan 2015, 18:03

musher0 wrote:No comment...

we need a working abiword integrated in puppy, not using an external sfs. is that clear enough ? what is it your don't understand ?

stavpup · #27 Post by **stavpup** » Mon 05 Jan 2015, 18:17

linuxcbon wrote:
musher0 wrote:No comment...
we need a working abiword integrated in puppy, not using an external sfs. is that clear enough ? what is it your don't understand ?

but don't you mean Quirky ?

linuxcbon · #28 Post by **linuxcbon** » Mon 05 Jan 2015, 18:21

stavpup wrote:but don't you mean Quirky ?

no, puppy in general.

Pelo · #29 Post by **Pelo** » Mon 05 Jan 2015, 18:46

With light but numerous apps. Sfs Goffice 7MB from JP fullfill most of us needs. People working with powerfull textwriter can continue downloading a full abiword (Musher has it).
Browsers get bigger and bigger...
Puppy will no more enter old computers
Please think about non administrative people. You can load :
OOo
Libre Office
Koffice
Softoffice
and others....
The poor puppy is a all purpose distro, share between categories, multimedia, graphics, office.
You have so much of choice... for typewrting nice letters.

linuxcbon · #30 Post by **linuxcbon** » Mon 05 Jan 2015, 20:33

Still trying to build abiword in precise 686...and chasing after libraries.
After installing boost , I got
ut_go_file.cpp

38: error: 'gsf_input_http_new' was not declared in this scope
So missing library "libgsf" in devx...
Trying to install libgsf, it needs gnome-common.
Installed gnome-common, libgsf needs gtk-doc
Trying to configure gtk-doc :
configure: error: could not find DocBook XML DTD V4.3 in XML catalog
Ok what's next ?

ps : I think I will try this directly in april64.

ally · #31 Post by **ally** » Mon 05 Jan 2015, 20:47

mirrored here: http://archive.org/details/Puppy_Linux_April64

James C · #32 Post by **James C** » Mon 05 Jan 2015, 23:22

Quick install to a partition on an old dual-core box.....all basics working on initial boot.

Looking solid.

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# report-video
VIDEO REPORT: Quirky April64, version 6.89

Chip description:
VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation Device 0a65 (rev a2)

Requested by /etc/X11/xorg.conf:
  Resolution (widthxheight, in pixels): 1024x768x16
  Depth (bits, or planes):              24
  Modules requested to be loaded:       dbe 

Probing Xorg startup log file (/var/log/Xorg.0.log):
  Driver loaded (and currently in use): nv
  Loaded modules: dbe extmod fb kbd modesetting mouse shadow

Actual rendering on monitor:
  Resolution:  1440x900 pixels (381x238 millimeters)
  Depth:       24 planes

...the above also recorded in /tmp/report-video
#

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-Computer-
Processor		: 2x AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 5200+
Memory		: 4054MB (174MB used)
Machine Type		: Physical machine
Operating System		: Quirky April64
User Name		: root (root)
Date/Time		: Mon Jan  5 17:20:09 2015
-Display-
Resolution		: 1440x900 pixels
OpenGL Renderer		: Unknown
X11 Vendor		: The X.Org Foundation
-Audio Devices-
Audio Adapter		: HDA-Intel - HDA NVidia
Audio Adapter		: HDA-Intel - HDA NVidia

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-Version-
Kernel		: Linux 3.17.4 (x86_64)
Version		: #1 SMP Sat Jan 3 13:10:26 GMT-8 2015
C Library		: GNU C Library version 2.20 (stable)
Distribution		: Quirky April64

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# free
             total         used         free       shared      buffers
Mem:       4054008       318496      3735512         2428         8788
-/+ buffers:             309708      3744300
Swap:     14540792            0     14540792
#

Billtoo · #33 Post by **Billtoo** » Tue 06 Jan 2015, 01:25

Installed to a 32gb SDHC card, pc is a hp desktop.

# report-video
VIDEO REPORT: Quirky April64, version 6.89

Chip description:
VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Device 0152 (rev 09)

Requested by /etc/X11/xorg.conf:
Resolution (widthxheight, in pixels): 1920x1080
Depth (bits, or planes): 24
Modules requested to be loaded: dbe

Probing Xorg startup log file (/var/log/Xorg.0.log):
Driver loaded (and currently in use): intel
Loaded modules: dbe extmod kbd mouse present

Actual rendering on monitor:
Resolution: 1920x1080 pixels (508x285 millimeters)
Depth: 24 planes

...the above also recorded in /tmp/report-video
#
Computer

Processor 4x Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-3550 CPU @ 3.30GHz
Memory 8070MB (230MB used)
Machine Type Physical machine
Operating System Quirky April64
User Name root (root)
Date/Time Mon Jan 5 19:58:09 2015

It's working well on this pc, still get the seamonkey first run message everytime
though.

BarryK · #34 Post by **BarryK** » Tue 06 Jan 2015, 01:40

linuxcbon wrote:Hi Barry,

I am trying to compile in puppy precise 5.7.1 for i686.
I am trying the minimal options for abiword.

./configure alone doesnt work, it needs boostlib
./configure --with-boost=no doesnt work, needs gtk3
./configure --with-boost=no --with-gtk2 , doesnt work, still needs boostlib
So I opened a bug report : http://bugzilla.abisource.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13695

boostlib isn't in the Devx by default ? So I cannot compile abiword without it ?

Cheers.

http://bugzilla.abisource.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13695
Ok it's a bug but they won't fix it (damn). Boostlib is mandatory for abiword.

Yeah, boost is required. Both i686 and amd64 April builds have it, in the devx.
I haven't uploaded Quirky April i686 yet, will do so soon.

The i686 build will have some of the same bugs as the amd64 build, and with the help of you guys testing this alpha-release, I will get lots of those bugs squashed, so when upload i686 April it should be a pretty good experience.

BarryK · #35 Post by **BarryK** » Tue 06 Jan 2015, 01:44

Billtoo wrote:I was able to compile Deadbeef 0.6.2 with the config:

./configure --prefix=/usr --sysconfdir=/etc --localstatedir=/var --libdir=/usr/lib64 --disable-hotkeys

EDIT: I was able to compile mplayer-checkout-snapshot.tar.bz2 +
gmtk-1.0.8.tar.gz + gnome-mplayer-1.0.8.tar.gz.

Billtoo,
Did you compare mplayer and gnome-mplayer, with different videos?

I tested mplayer with some video files, and it either crashed or wouldn't play them. Mostly crashed.

BarryK · #36 Post by **BarryK** » Tue 06 Jan 2015, 01:50

musher0 wrote:
BarryK wrote:Regarding Abiword, this is how I configured it in T2:
Code: Select all
./configure --prefix=/usr --sysconfdir=/etc --localstatedir=/var --build=i686-pc-linux-gnu --disable-gucharmap --enable-print --enable-spell --enable-static --disable-shared --with-gtk2 --enable-plugins="freetranslation gdict grammar mswrite opendocument openwriter openxml pdf wmf"  --disable-default-plugins --without-goffice --without-gnomevfs --with-gio --disable-debug --with-boost
The 'grammar' plugin got linked into the abiword executable, but I think it only works if compiled as a separate plugin.

EDIT:
For 64-bit target, change above to '--build=x86_64-pc-linux-gnu'
Hello, Mr. Kauler.

Abiword is its plugins.

Instead of again giving an incomplete representation of abiword by compiling only a
few of its plug-ins, -- hopefully you are doing so for technical reasons, but whatever
the case may be -- please leave it out and gain some space for the distro. You could
simply provide URL's to direct potential users to both Médor's and shinobar's
excellent Abiword-3 sfs's.

General users and even some of those who write for a living will then have a choice
and be better served since both packages provide a complete word-processing tool,
not a crippled one.

From one who's pushed for years for having the full abiword in Puppy. Puppyists
now have the tremendous chance to have available two complete versions of
abiword 3. Why go backwards, why settle for less?

Best regards.

musher0

The main point of the exercise with April is that everything is compiled from source in T2. Everything.

Yes, I am open to having a more fully-featured Abiword, with all or most plugins.

If someone is will to do a compile in April64, with all or most options enabled, verify that it works, then post the configure options here, I will seriously consider putting that into T2.

The devx has 'boost', so the infrastructure is there for compiling a fully-featured Abiword.

BarryK · #37 Post by **BarryK** » Tue 06 Jan 2015, 01:54

linuxcbon wrote:Still trying to build abiword in precise 686...and chasing after libraries.
After installing boost , I got
ut_go_file.cpp38: error: 'gsf_input_http_new' was not declared in this scope
So missing library "libgsf" in devx...
Trying to install libgsf, it needs gnome-common.
Installed gnome-common, libgsf needs gtk-doc
Trying to configure gtk-doc :
configure: error: could not find DocBook XML DTD V4.3 in XML catalog
Ok what's next ?
ps : I think I will try this directly in april64.

The only way to be helpful to this thread is to compile in April64. The devx has all the packages needed to compile latest Abiword.

This is the whole point, to contribute to the T2 build. Hence you must be running April64 + devx pet.

Billtoo · #38 Post by **Billtoo** » Tue 06 Jan 2015, 02:00

BarryK wrote:
Billtoo wrote:I was able to compile Deadbeef 0.6.2 with the config:

./configure --prefix=/usr --sysconfdir=/etc --localstatedir=/var --libdir=/usr/lib64 --disable-hotkeys

EDIT: I was able to compile mplayer-checkout-snapshot.tar.bz2 +
gmtk-1.0.8.tar.gz + gnome-mplayer-1.0.8.tar.gz.
Billtoo,
Did you compare mplayer and gnome-mplayer, with different videos?

I tested mplayer with some video files, and it either crashed or wouldn't play them. Mostly crashed.

I just tried a few files, seems it plays movie dvd's and that's about it.

EDIT: I found that umplayer works better, plays dvd's well plus plays a few other file formats.

musher0 · #39 Post by **musher0** » Tue 06 Jan 2015, 03:49

@BarryK.

Thank you for your reply and your openness. However, with my current knowledge of
Linux, I would not be up to the task, even if I can perceive the need of it. Hopefully
someone more experienced than I will put his shoulder to the wheel. I have already
contacted Médor about it. Who knows?

Again, thanks for your reply, and a Happy, Healthy and Successful 2015!

musher0

LateAdopter · #40 Post by **LateAdopter** » Tue 06 Jan 2015, 09:57

Hello BarryK

From your blog:

No media player. I did have Mplayer, but it has been going downhill for the last year or so, and has become unusable.

MPV is the currently active fork of MPlayer. It doesn't require QT and runs from the command line like MPlayer. There have been lots of changes and it is not backwards compatible with MPlayer or the various GUI front-ends for Mplayer.
It has a mouse operated OSD when a video is playing for all the usual tasks.
http://mpv.io/
https://github.com/mpv-player/mpv

And SMplayer has now been updated to support MPV. Not a trivial task, it seems. It does use QT

http://blog.smplayer.info/smplayer-with ... available/
http://smplayer.sourceforge.net/en/mpv

I have both running on Fatdog64. I used Ubuntu Trusty packages from Launchpad.

MPV is the antithesis of VLC, which has new releases once in a blue moon. MPV has a new release every couple of weeks. I use both.

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