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#21 Post by jam »

Probably the biggest concern I would have is that you will inadvertently hit a legal minefield at some point if you atttempt to emulate Windows XP Pro too closely using Puppy, whether it be copyright or trademark infringement, or an ambiguous area called "methods and concepts". This is the big difference if you intend to emulate Microsoft's "modus operandi" versus the locomotive or airline industry. Right now I'm sure Puppy is nowhere close to being on Microsoft's legal radar, mainly because there is no corporate entity to sue, but should you step on those mines in the future as Puppy grows in popularity, expect a "cease and desist" letter in your inbox.

I've personally trained elementary school kids on the use of a distinctive version of Puppy not at all like XP Pro and they make the transition with relative ease and a short learning curve. The key is to have all the apps contained in the distro working properly and intuitively, and hide the technical complexity of Linux.

You can achieve desktop simplicity in Linux without having to emulate MS - just ask Apple about that. I also have corporate users that I've trained on Linux in a matter of hours and they don't seem concerned at all if things don't follow MS standards - it also help that I mention the fact that it's dramatically improving our bottom line! :)
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#22 Post by marksouth2000 »

One can work to make the products dumber or the people smarter.

The thing I like about Linux is that it can make people smarter, by opening their minds a little.

One can do what one likes with Puppy, but making some people smarter is a good thing that makes the world a better place.

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#23 Post by gliezl »

richard.a wrote:Hi gliesl,
I've noticed there seems to be occasional (not always) difficulties on not just yours, but all of the three "office" type distros I've tried, if you try to remove the CD so that a music CD or a DVD can be played. I wonder if this is fixable in a config file somewhere? It doesn't seem to be there on standard puppies.
I don't have any idea. Glad you reported it. :-)
richard.a wrote: Another thought. Normally a live puppy will present a list of keyboard choices before you have created a save file.
Perhaps you might consider doing a recompile for the benefit of those who don't use the US keyboard? ... doesn't worry me personally, but European keyboards might present a difficulty when booting it for the first time, live.
It has something to do with the PKEYS=us that I have put on the isolinux.cfg, next time I'll remove that.
richard.a wrote:I do like it :)
Thanks. My original plan was only to release a beta version for others to test & to my surprise, there are members who are interested. Hopefully if I'm free I'll try it with Puppy 2.11 when released.

Thanks to your support guys.

By the way, I like Rhino's Puppy Pro too! It's very cool. :-D
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#24 Post by Nathan F »

Hmm, looks interesting. Not my cup of tea, but probably worth the effort for some. I'd like to suggest you look into xpde also.
http://www.xpde.com/index.php
Xpde is pretty darn close to XP already, and furthermore they are ready for the eventual lawsuits with a code audit already, so might be able to help out if something that sinister does happen to you. Also worth mentioning is ReactOS.
http://www.reactos.org/en/index.html
ReactOS is an open source project attempting to create an OS with complete binary compatibility with Windows. And they are pretty far along in acheiving this now.

Also, other than the menu image it is easier to emulate the XP look using IceWM, which can do things like rounded windows and start button a lot better. In fact there are several themes that are pretty close without any tweaking. Fvwm95 looks a lot more like Windows98 to me, everything's blocky. Not that that's bad, it just isn't at all the same.

Hope you take this in the spirit it was intended. I just wanted to offer a few pointers if you do intend to continue work on this, and a few neat links worth exploring.

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#25 Post by raffy »

Yes, the info you provided would be very helpful for gliezl's project. Thanks, Nathan.
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ReactOS

#26 Post by jam »

Nathan,

Regarding ReactOS, I've tried loading this OS on several different machines in the past, even with their anniversary LiveCD and repeatedly got the equivalent of the "Blue Screen of Death" - so I guess in that respect they have gotten close to matching MS functionality. :) All kidding aside, they still have a long way to go - Wine gets the job done for me.
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ReactOS

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#29 Post by richard.a »

jam

I agree with you about ReactOS. Looks pretty, lol. Actually you can probably do a lot more with Erd I suspect.

WINE is defintely the current solution, although ReactOS have been talking for a while about running it as part of ReactOS, and one of the developers is a dev in both.

They are at 0.3 currently, with a somewhat inadequate performance.It can be evaluated in a VMware situation too.


Those two extra posts; I've noticed that the forum will do this when it has its regular hernias. Happened to me too.

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#30 Post by jam »

Richard,

The duplicate posting is an on/off again problem. The first symptom for me is usually a PHP:BB Critical Error I get when attempting to access the site, then shortly after submitting the post it just hangs, and hangs, and hangs. Oh well - guess I have to put up with that...
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#31 Post by richard.a »

That's what I experience too.

Now if they would allow those who post to not just edit but also delete their own posts (like many other similar forums do), it would go a long way towards fixing the visual effect.

It is a simple admin setting in the forum software that is enabled by default.
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#32 Post by vito »

I have tried Updating Gliesl's puppy to 2.13 via the puppy installer only to find that it completely does away with Xpuppy's windows style taskbar.

I haven't checked yet to see if it changes the desktop as well. Anyone know if it is possible to upgrade without losing all the beautiful graphics work?

BTW I've already tried the icewm xp/vista and find that I am not enough of a hacker to put up with all of the buggyness of this process even though it produces some really stellar graphics.

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#33 Post by MU »

exit X (hit ctrl alt backspace).
Then type:
xwin fvwm95

If it fails:
xwin jwm

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#34 Post by richard.a »

MU wrote:exit X (hit ctrl alt backspace).
Then type:
xwin fvwm95

If it fails:
xwin jwm

Mark
Sorry Mark, that doesn't work.

To check this out, I just fired up a duplicate of Gliesel's save file with her Cd, and (as you would expect) the duplicate saved file works.

I then upgraded it to 2.13 and (of course) it replaced everything that was not "standard" with stuff off the new CD.

I ran across an X-server video problem as discussed in another thread, but that isn't material to this one.

There is only jwm, no fvwm, on the 2.13 distribution CD from what I can see.

I tried a forlorn hope - I rebooted using Gliesel's original CD after upgrading to 2.13, nah it didn't work! I said it was a forlorn hope, lol :) :D

So I suspect all that can be done is to go through her directory structure and transfer all the icons etc... and also add fvwm95 to the install as well... but how much of an advantage is 2.13, I wonder? The 2.02 she used runs very nicely on my computers.

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#35 Post by richard.a »

Tried to edit that post. Three times.

Three times it told me it was invalid and I should resubmit it.

I did and it still would not accept it.

Each time I logged out and back in again and that didn't work either.

So please replace the paragraph as below...

So I suspect all that can be done is to go through her directory structure and transfer all the icons etc... and also add fvwm95 to the install as well... but how much of an advantage is 2.13, I wonder? The 2.02 she used runs very nicely on my computers.
should read...
So I suspect all that can be done is to go through her directory structure and transfer all the icons etc... and then all her coding... and also add fvwm95 to the install as well... but how much of an advantage is 2.13, I wonder? The 2.02 she used runs very nicely on my computers.
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Update

#36 Post by cicerosc »

Could someone post the current state of this project.... or directions to where to find the latest version?

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#37 Post by richard.a »

cicerosc wrote:Could someone post the current state of this project.... or directions to where to find the latest version?

thanks
Hi cicerosc and welcome to the forums :)

There is a Community Edition called version 2.15ce which has been through several alpha and beta test phases. Release Candidate 3 is about to be released, and that may well be followed by the "public" version.

The work done by gliesl here, and several other folks has been put to good use in this new specialised version which is woth reading the various threads about. You can find them at this main forum address listed down the page...
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/index.php?f=34

Enjoy :)

Richard in Australia

PS The forum is playing up badly on this thread. This is the second time I've got an "Invalid Session. Please resubmit the form" message. Tried several times.
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#38 Post by over_soul »

I like it, I want to download it, but the links are inactive... (the core is Puppy Linux, right?)
Can someone give me an active link?
Thanks in advance :)
BTW, how big is it? (Megabytes)
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over_soul wrote:I like it, I want to download it, but the links are inactive... (the core is Puppy Linux, right?)
Can someone give me an active link?
Thanks in advance :)
BTW, how big is it? (Megabytes)
you can download from me (76.11 MB)
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#40 Post by richard.a »

over_soul if Dingo hadn't replied I could also have put it up for you... I'm attempting to put together a repository of what I've liked and the add-ons I've found useful - all being suitable for old boxes.

And, yes, it is Puppy version 2.02

Just a warning, though.

Older kernels (on older distributions) do not coexist at all with SATA drives (modern hardware).

As most modern computers have SATA motherboards, which conveniently have an IDE connection for a maximum of two drives for what Microsoft sneeringly refers to as legacy hardware, you may be able to get away with removing SATA cables and drives and using just the IDE.

That is as true for SATA CD and DVD drives as it is for hard drives.

There is a way round part of this problem.

If you have a working windows98 boot floppy (and a floppy drive) and you make yourself a bootable USB flashdrive that way, you may be able to get by with some fiddling.

Best of luck, and please contact us again if you need to.


Another good tip...

On earlier boxes you may get some later distributions to work by adding the statement irqpoll to the boot command string on the live CD - and also on the installed version if you get that far. In Live CD mode the whole string is:

puppy pfix=ram irqpoll

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