(old)Puppy Linux Discussion Forum

dejan555 wrote:Fluxbox here, but I doubt you want it as default wm. It's both lightweight, usable and styleable, many distros make their light versions using it or include it as second choice.

For something called "Pupbuntu" your best choice would be probably xfce

Oh yeah, Fluxbox is for sure not w/out it's charms. I simply love Flux! It's simple, attractive & highly portable! Ya know I'm adding that one for sure! I think it is definitely one of the best WM. Hell, maybe I should just program my own WM! There's a concept lol.

ttuuxxx wrote:I don't like thunar, Really if we were making a puppy official release, I would go with Rox/Xfce combo, I like the look and apps of Xfce but hate thunar, Rox I think is 10 times better for the seasoned puppy user.

Sir, that is a winning combination! Ease of use plus light on it's feet. One of my fav combos!

jwm can do more than most people think
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=51200

desktop backgrounds
pseudo-icons (more like buttons, but then single click is more intuitive)
unlimited trays anywhere on the desktop
separate popup menus for each mouse button (all can even be different than or the same as the "start" menu)
(and of course windows, trays, pager, taskbar etc...)

And thanks to Patriot it now supports window and tray translucency and better theming

(still need to update the event manager and other scripts to update the drive icons, to place/remove icons and other stuff that was previously hacked for Rox)

If someone were to patch it to allow only the background of individual trays and traybuttons to be translucent as well (not the icons labels etc...) it would have FULL icon support (not just button icons).

disciple wrote:

Ttuuxxx wrote:what about? http://equinox-project.org/ I've compiled it in the past, its small and lite.

Yes, I tend to ignore others like it because development is so slow and I can't find any particular reason to use them rather than a combination of apps like JWM and rox.

I also think that if it wasn't for Patriot and his JWM 2.0.1 Enhancements and Fixes http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 0feff496aa
we would still be using jwm V1, once Joe himself received word that Patriot had polished JWM with rounded taskbar buttons and there was talk about Patriot taking over the JWM Puppy Linux Branch, Joe actually appeared on here for like whole 5 minutes, Just long enough to take patriots new additions, and add them to V1 and bring out a new build of v2 that really hasn't been updated since.
That said if Equinox had a puppy developer give it a make over like JWM had, It could also be as good or if not better than JWM/Rox, but it would take some hard work.
ttuuxxx

But seriously for a 133 to run on puppy for stable everyday use, I would remove gtk2 and all of its deps, Use gtk1 because its might lighter, faster. Plus the Gtk1 wallpaper changer is nicer than any gtk2 ones to date, the nicest one for gtk2 Gposil adapted for puppy and isn't in the main release.
You could compile rox as gtk1, You could give it gtk2 icons, its not that hard to assign it icons, I did it for 2.14X. Seamonkey Gtk1 http://releases.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla ... tk1.tar.gz
Then I would delete things like Gnumeric, Xorg and only use Xversa, every try 51MB Meanpup, Something like that but with networking/browser/overall looks updates. http://www.my-plan.org/storage/puppyLin ... -opera.iso
Probably an updated version would be the best for type of version.
ttuuxxx

XFCE : )

Also you might want to look at this page its pretty good
http://xwinman.org/otherdesktops.php

also another good prime candidate for stripping down and maybe building a Gtk1/Xvesa version only would be Turrbo Pup extreme because it only uses 10MB of ram at bootup with full xorg http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=40477 , if it was gtk1 and xvesa only probably 6-7MB which would be a puppy first I think, next to the command line version one-bone,lol, plus a lot of wireless drivers could be removed.
ttuuxxx

You do need to realise that it would be a lot of work building a gtk1 Puppy if you want its functionality to compare with a normal Puppy.

disciple wrote:You do need to realise that it would be a lot of work building a gtk1 Puppy if you want its functionality to compare with a normal Puppy.

It would and it wouldn't, The first thing would to be getting it going, keep in mind its for a 133, would be rox, I personally would download a older version of rox,jwm,xorg from early 1 series, plus the gtk1.2,glib1.2 etc the list of deps I did provided previously. Then mount copy/edit the sfs removing all the gtk2,xorg,jwm.rox deps, and the rox,jwm,xorg, gtk1.2+others, and make the squash sfs, build a iso, burn and test. What works stays, what doesn't gets removed.
ttuuxxx

I voted for JWM but I'll put in a mention for LXDE as well.......

Hm, I repeat myself here, but a GTK 1 Puppy sounds a lot like PULP. I didn't use GTK1 rox but emelfm instead, allmost all of the other proggies used are GTK 1, and yes, it's fast.

Does anyone know if you can build a gtk1 gtkdialog? Puppy even relies on it for a lot of configuration stuff. If you can't then you'll either be spending a lot of time looking for or creating all sorts of guis, or leaving them out.
Which word processor would you include?

currently using jwm without rox desktop, as in http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=51200

disciple wrote:Does anyone know if you can build a gtk1 gtkdialog? Puppy even relies on it for a lot of configuration stuff. If you can't then you'll either be spending a lot of time looking for or creating all sorts of guis, or leaving them out.
Which word processor would you include?

earlier Abiword was gtk1, as gtkdialog goes yes gtk1.2 had gtkdialog, but have you ever checked the resources gtkdialog? Run pburn and check it out It wouldn't hurt to loose gtkdialog in puppy for older 133- pc's, its very resource hungry. Tcl/tk would be way better of a way to go, much lighter.
ttuuxxx

ttuuxxx wrote: It would and it wouldn't, The first thing would to be getting it going, keep in mind its for a 133....

I am sorry actually let me rephrase all of that. I want it to run on my 133 test machine that way I know even the simplest of users could run it. My mach is a amd phemon II X4/6.5GHz machine. However, I know not all users have that type of speed - I just wanna make sure my product will be widely usable.

On another note, I would like to thank everybody here for posting so many great links! You are literally giving me volumes of information and data to look over, so as I can make a well informed choice. Thank you all for your time and civility on here!

-Ronald Lee Harsh

It wouldn't hurt to loose gtkdialog in puppy for older 133- pc's, its very resource hungry. Tcl/tk would be way better of a way to go, much lighter.

Yes, I am a fan of Tcl/tk too. But again, it would be a bit of work to find or make decent replacements for all those things. However it wouldn't necessarily be so bad to retain a lot of gtkdialog things, as they are mostly not things that you have running and eating resources all the time (like a browser), but are things that you tend to use occasionally.

Voted Icewm.

I run AntiX also which gives you some choice on what Desktop to run. There is a small thread at Mepis Lovers about thinking of seeing if LXDE might be a viable alternative Default Desktop.
http://mepislovers.org/forums/showthrea ... light=lxde

AntiX choices for Desktop
1. Icewm
2. Fluxbox
3. Rox PinBoard

File Manager Choices in AntiX
1. PCMAN
2. Rox

I've used a LXDE Desktop (used earlier unstable versions). I like Icewm better though.

What I would would like to see in Puppy (just a wish, puppy is fine as it is)
1. JWM
2.Icewm
3.Fluxbox

IceWM is my pick.
Way more features than you can keep track of (read /usr/share/icewm/preferences for an idea, I guesstimate ~400 options), incredibly tweakable, tons of decent themes, keyboard support while working with the mouse (as opposed to ratpoison), up to 12 desktops.
Also fond of the plaintext configuration (versus XML, like JWM uses).

For file manager I like Xfe, the X File Explorer; pcmanfm is decent, while rox is lacking a tree (explore) view. I dismiss Thunar & Nautilus without hesitation.

My favourite lightweight window manager is Scrotwm.
http://scrotwm.org
Similar to dwm but easier to configure.

lightweight window manager that i like is "oroborus".
feh handle the background and use no icons.
its lighter on old systems if rox dose not run (control) them.
For menu(s) i use yeahlaunch with spm and 9menu.

conky and xbattbar are my eye candy.