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Posted: Mon 20 Jun 2016, 00:28
by nitehawk
Colonel Panic wrote:
nitehawk wrote:
James C wrote:Stella still solid as a rock and still no systemd......
Running well on this old 32 bit nox.
...yes,..isn't Stella lovely? Hats off to Nux. Directly based on the "Old Royalty" of linux,...CentOS. Rock solid is right.
Yes it is, and as you probably know it's a "rolling release" meaning that you only need to install it to your hard drive once. From then on you can update it from the installation as often as is necessary.
It's on my main computer (along with MX-15, and a couple of Puppies). Stella is on there to stay for a loooooooong time to come.

Posted: Mon 20 Jun 2016, 00:57
by learnhow2code
starhawk wrote:Please spell out that acronym for those of us who don't know it...
sorry, it was actually a tongue-in-cheek go at the various acronyms wikipedians preface with WP: so that they dont have to spell out the same nonsense repeatedly.

i know its an international forum, though i hoped "IDGAF" (i dont give a...) ("i dont care") was universal enough among (we) non-wikipedians.

the "p" stands for "personally," the implication that stuff gets deleted all the time just because some WP:POS doesnt think it matters. then their buddies vote on whether theyre right using the same criteria. (in my opinion.)

i get more tired of the site every year. but it IS a very wonderful idea.

Porteus-CINNAMON

Posted: Mon 27 Jun 2016, 20:11
by peebee
Porteus-CINNAMON-v3.2rc3

Slackware-14.2 based........

http://dl.porteus.org/i586/Porteus-v3.2rc3/

Cinnamon looks quite nice.....

Other Distros

Posted: Sat 02 Jul 2016, 03:33
by Billtoo
I installed Slackware-14.2 to my hp desktop pc.

Computer
Processor 4x Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-3550 CPU @ 3.30GHz
Memory 12229MB (692MB used)
Operating System Slackware 14.2
User Name bill (Bill)
Date/Time Fri 01 Jul 2016 11:22:44 PM EDT
Display
Resolution 3200x900 pixels
OpenGL Renderer Gallium 0.4 on NVC1
X11 Vendor The X.Org Foundation

Operating System
Version
Kernel Linux 4.4.14 (x86_64)
Compiled #2 SMP Fri Jun 24 13:38:27 CDT 2016
C Library Unknown
Default C Compiler GNU C Compiler version 5.3.0 (GCC)
Distribution Slackware 14.2

OpenGL
Vendor nouveau
Renderer Gallium 0.4 on NVC1
Version 3.0 Mesa 11.2.2
Direct Rendering Yes

I did slackbuilds of geany-1.2.7, geany-1.2.7-plugins, Mtpaint-3.40,
and hardinfo-0.51

I compiled mplayer-1.3.0,smplayer-16.6.0 and smtube-16.7.0

It's working well.

Posted: Sat 02 Jul 2016, 05:32
by 01micko
@Billtoo

I have downloaded it (via torrent as mirrors in Australia haven't propagated yet) and will install soon.. but at the moment I am busily building the next slacko alpha based on 14.2 (64 for the moment).

Posted: Sat 02 Jul 2016, 10:16
by Pete
@Billtoo

Is one of those graphs your pulse rate whilst riding the roller coaster?
You look petrified. :lol:

Other Distros

Posted: Sat 02 Jul 2016, 10:24
by Billtoo
01micko wrote:@Billtoo

I have downloaded it (via torrent as mirrors in Australia haven't propagated yet) and will install soon.. but at the moment I am busily building the next slacko alpha based on 14.2 (64 for the moment).
Great news, looking forward to that. :)

Posted: Sat 02 Jul 2016, 10:31
by Billtoo
Pete wrote:@Billtoo

Is one of those graphs your pulse rate whilst riding the roller coaster?
You look petrified. :lol:
There's no way that I'd ever get on that ride! :)

Re: Other Distros

Posted: Sat 02 Jul 2016, 17:18
by Sailor Enceladus
Billtoo wrote:
01micko wrote:@Billtoo

I have downloaded it (via torrent as mirrors in Australia haven't propagated yet) and will install soon.. but at the moment I am busily building the next slacko alpha based on 14.2 (64 for the moment).
Great news, looking forward to that. :)
Looking forward as well. Does slackware 14.2 still use gtk-2?

Re: Other Distros

Posted: Sat 02 Jul 2016, 19:44
by Billtoo
Sailor Enceladus wrote: Looking forward as well. Does slackware 14.2 still use gtk-2?
Yes, there is a gtk2 and a gtk3 folder in /usr/lib64.
It compiled Gtktetris for me.

Re: Other Distros

Posted: Sat 02 Jul 2016, 22:05
by 01micko
Billtoo wrote:
01micko wrote:@Billtoo

I have downloaded it (via torrent as mirrors in Australia haven't propagated yet) and will install soon.. but at the moment I am busily building the next slacko alpha based on 14.2 (64 for the moment).
Great news, looking forward to that. :)
Booted to desktop on second go. Lots of older (slacko) packages don't work due to newer libraries so I'm busy recompiling them. Mtpaint is one so I couldn't scale the screenshot!

Posted: Sun 03 Jul 2016, 21:22
by gcmartin
Latest Porteus for modern PCs (2005+), here. Fast, real fast.

Latest Slackware for modern PCs, download is here.

Earlier versions of Slackware for older PCs are still operational and supported. Still works great.

Posted: Wed 06 Jul 2016, 23:38
by Colonel Panic
I've installed Mint 18 (Cinnamon) and Slackware 14.2. Mint looks OK so far but networking still doesn't work in Slackware (on my system anyway).

Oh well, too late in the evening to try and fix it now.

Debian Jessie KDE frugal

Posted: Sun 10 Jul 2016, 19:05
by rufwoof
Assuming you frugal boot using something like grub4dos then ....

Grab a ISO via the Debian Live web site (I clicked on the i386 CD/DVD/USB link around two thirds of the way down that page and opted to grab the KDE version debian-live-8.5.0-i386-kde-desktop.iso )

Open that ISO with ROX or Thunar (or whatever filemanager) and copy the "live" folder over onto your hard disk, perhaps into a new directory called DEB (I created mine on the first HDD 4th partition (sda4) which is numbered hd0,3 in grub4dos terms

Edit your grub4dos menu.lst to include a entry that points to that - mine is shown below, and if you want persistence (changes saved across reboot) then set up a save partition for that (I believe there are ways to use a save folder or save file as alternatives (but I don't know how to do that myself- I'm just outlining the way I did it here).

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# menu.lst
color white/blue black/cyan white/black cyan/black
timeout 1
default 0

title DebianLive686 PERSISTENCE
#find --set-root /DEB/live/vmlinuz2
root (hd0,3) 
kernel /DEB/live/vmlinuz2 boot=live config persistence quickreboot noprompt showmounts live-media-path=/DEB/live/ config
initrd /DEB/live/initrd2.img
I created sda2 as a new ext3 formatted partition to act as the save (persistence) partition. You have to use gparted or whatever to give that partition a LABEL of "persistence". Create a file called persistence.conf in the root of that partition and edit it to contain just a single line of :

/ union

(there must be a new line after that)

Reboot and you're away. Booting into Debian Jessie KDE and where all changes will be preserved in that persistence partition.

After I'd updated and installed/changed things to how I liked it, I booted a puppy (well DebianDog Jessie actually) and created a sfs (squashfs) of the persistence partition and then merged that changes.squashfs as I called it with the main filesystem.squashfs ... to create a new filesystem.squashfs (that normally sits in the /DEB/live folder) to boot from - that contained all of the original filesystem along with the changes I'd made in a single SFS. Which meant that the persistence partition (like a save folder) could be emptied of everything except the persistence.conf file.

These are the notes I copied off the web to do that (filenames are different, but provides the basis of how to merge two sfs's into one single sfs).

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Lets assume we have a directory on the hard drive where we’ve copied the casper/filesystem.squashfs file on the USB as fs.ro and the casper-rw file as fs.rw. First we mount the aufs by layering these:

mkdir -p tmp-ro tmp-rw tmp-aufs
sudo mount -o loop fs.ro tmp-ro/
sudo mount -o loop fs.rw tmp-rw/
sudo mount -t aufs -o br:tmp-rw:tmp-ro none tmp-aufs/

Now tmp-ro shows the squashfs, tmp-rw shows the changes stored in caster-rw and tmp-aufs shows the layered filesystem as the live OS would see it.

Next we can generate the new squashfs using mksquashfs (from squashfs-tools):

sudo mksquashfs tmp-aufs/ filesystem.squashfs
KDE is pretty heavy on the compositing/animation type effects, and also has a number of neat features that I've discovered so far, such as when you edit the panel you can resize it via dragging. You can drag icons from the likes of /usr/share/applications onto the desktop and then if you right click the desktop and select 'Unlock Widgets' you can then hover over a icon until a vertical bar pops up then grab/drag that bar to move the icon around, and there's even a drag to scale up or down the icon size (each icon can be sized independently of each other). Once finished moving things around right click the desktop and select the 'Lock Widgets' option.

A neat thing with Debian is you get security updates through quickly, and the repository is extensive, albeit stable versions that aren't the latest versions.

My 64 bit PC blew up some months back and whilst I have a new (to me) 64 bit PC gathering dust, I've been using a old single core Celeron 32 bit machine with 2GB of ram as a temporary measure. The above is all running fine on that older hardware ... KDE just isn't as resource heavy beast as it perhaps once was, at least not that I've noticed. Booting a liveCD type ISO boot, but with the files on HDD ... and it runs very well IMO. Took me a while to get to the above stage, so thought I'd share my experiences/observations here to make it easier for others. Don't blame me if you corrupt/crash your system (always remember to make backups first).

PS ... MasterPDFEditor and Skype aren't in the Debian respository, for Skype I just installed it as per how I posted here for DebianDog Jessie Skype For masterpdfeditor I just downloaded and installed from their web site directly. It did take a bit of fiddling around to get sound to work correctly for me. The trick was to install pavucontrol from the repository (via synaptic) and then reboot/run that and set the channels as being shared. Now I can hear both a youtube playing whilst talking on skype (other party doesn't however hear both, only your voice).

Debian Jessie KDE

Posted: Sun 10 Jul 2016, 20:54
by rufwoof
Provided the desktop is in focus you can type and up pops a search/list at the top centre of screen. For example galcu .... looking to run galculator and it will suggest that as one of the options available ..... a form of quick launch.

Lots of widgets in KDE. Bouncing ball (soon becomes annoying - and trying to catch it to get rid of it ... :( ), eyes that track the mouse around the screen (which goes way back in time), and widget resize/move also include a rotation option

Posted: Sun 10 Jul 2016, 21:52
by musher0
rufwoof?

You're a genius! :D

I've been looking forever for the info in your last two posts!

Many, many thanks!

Posted: Sun 10 Jul 2016, 21:57
by rufwoof
musher0 wrote:rufwoof?

You're a genius! :D

I've been looking forever for the info in your last two posts!

Many, many thanks!
The cube desktop rotation is a nice feature. Best to look up a how to on youtube however whilst relatively easy to setup its a lot easier to be shown than to textually describe.

Re: Debian Jessie KDE frugal

Posted: Tue 12 Jul 2016, 09:37
by rufwoof
To extend upon what I posted earlier, here's how you can set up a save file instead of having to use a partition for saves

In the earlier text as quoted below I created a folder called DEB on sda4 for the debian kde system to run in. For me the best place was to create a save file also on sda4 - the save file needs to have the filename "persistence" for debian to automatically pick that up and needs to be in the root folder of that partition. That save file can actually be on any partition, but must be in the root directory.

First create a save file of whatever size you prefer, I opted for 4GB i.e. a count of 4096 in the following dd command

cd /mnt/sda4
dd if=/dev/zero of=/mnt/sda4/persistence bs=1M count=4096

then format that file as a filesystem

mkfs.ext3 /mnt/sda4/persistence

Now we have to attach that as a loop file to a free loop, first I tried

losetup /dev/loop0 persistence

.. but that failed (already used) so next I tried

losetup /dev/loop1 persistence

.. and that worked. i.e. loop1 was obviously free. You might have to keep going until you find a free loop (if so then the code below should be changed to reflect whichever loop number was actually used).

So now we can mount that filesystem, and then create the persistence.conf file within that that Debian needs :

mkdir -p t
mount -t ext3 /dev/loop1 t/
cd t
echo / union >persistence.conf
echo >>persistence.conf
cd ..
umount /dev/loop1

I got rid of the persistence partition that I was using in the earlier example (text below), rebooted and its all now using that 4GB save file.
rufwoof wrote:Assuming you frugal boot using something like grub4dos then ....

Grab a ISO via the Debian Live web site (I clicked on the i386 CD/DVD/USB link around two thirds of the way down that page and opted to grab the KDE version debian-live-8.5.0-i386-kde-desktop.iso )

Open that ISO with ROX or Thunar (or whatever filemanager) and copy the "live" folder over onto your hard disk, perhaps into a new directory called DEB (I created mine on the first HDD 4th partition (sda4) which is numbered hd0,3 in grub4dos terms

Edit your grub4dos menu.lst to include a entry that points to that - mine is shown below, and if you want persistence (changes saved across reboot) then set up a save partition for that (I believe there are ways to use a save folder or save file as alternatives (but I don't know how to do that myself- I'm just outlining the way I did it here).

Code: Select all

# menu.lst
color white/blue black/cyan white/black cyan/black
timeout 1
default 0

title DebianLive686 PERSISTENCE
#find --set-root /DEB/live/vmlinuz2
root (hd0,3) 
kernel /DEB/live/vmlinuz2 boot=live config persistence quickreboot noprompt showmounts live-media-path=/DEB/live/ config
initrd /DEB/live/initrd2.img
I created sda2 as a new ext3 formatted partition to act as the save (persistence) partition. You have to use gparted or whatever to give that partition a LABEL of "persistence". Create a file called persistence.conf in the root of that partition and edit it to contain just a single line of :

/ union

(there must be a new line after that)

Reboot and you're away. Booting into Debian Jessie KDE and where all changes will be preserved in that persistence partition.

After I'd updated and installed/changed things to how I liked it, I booted a puppy (well DebianDog Jessie actually) and created a sfs (squashfs) of the persistence partition and then merged that changes.squashfs as I called it with the main filesystem.squashfs ... to create a new filesystem.squashfs (that normally sits in the /DEB/live folder) to boot from - that contained all of the original filesystem along with the changes I'd made in a single SFS. Which meant that the persistence partition (like a save folder) could be emptied of everything except the persistence.conf file.

These are the notes I copied off the web to do that (filenames are different, but provides the basis of how to merge two sfs's into one single sfs).

Code: Select all

Lets assume we have a directory on the hard drive where we’ve copied the casper/filesystem.squashfs file on the USB as fs.ro and the casper-rw file as fs.rw. First we mount the aufs by layering these:

mkdir -p tmp-ro tmp-rw tmp-aufs
sudo mount -o loop fs.ro tmp-ro/
sudo mount -o loop fs.rw tmp-rw/
sudo mount -t aufs -o br:tmp-rw:tmp-ro none tmp-aufs/

Now tmp-ro shows the squashfs, tmp-rw shows the changes stored in caster-rw and tmp-aufs shows the layered filesystem as the live OS would see it.

Next we can generate the new squashfs using mksquashfs (from squashfs-tools):

sudo mksquashfs tmp-aufs/ filesystem.squashfs
KDE is pretty heavy on the compositing/animation type effects, and also has a number of neat features that I've discovered so far, such as when you edit the panel you can resize it via dragging. You can drag icons from the likes of /usr/share/applications onto the desktop and then if you right click the desktop and select 'Unlock Widgets' you can then hover over a icon until a vertical bar pops up then grab/drag that bar to move the icon around, and there's even a drag to scale up or down the icon size (each icon can be sized independently of each other). Once finished moving things around right click the desktop and select the 'Lock Widgets' option.

A neat thing with Debian is you get security updates through quickly, and the repository is extensive, albeit stable versions that aren't the latest versions.

My 64 bit PC blew up some months back and whilst I have a new (to me) 64 bit PC gathering dust, I've been using a old single core Celeron 32 bit machine with 2GB of ram as a temporary measure. The above is all running fine on that older hardware ... KDE just isn't as resource heavy beast as it perhaps once was, at least not that I've noticed. Booting a liveCD type ISO boot, but with the files on HDD ... and it runs very well IMO. Took me a while to get to the above stage, so thought I'd share my experiences/observations here to make it easier for others. Don't blame me if you corrupt/crash your system (always remember to make backups first).

PS ... MasterPDFEditor and Skype aren't in the Debian respository, for Skype I just installed it as per how I posted here for DebianDog Jessie Skype For masterpdfeditor I just downloaded and installed from their web site directly. It did take a bit of fiddling around to get sound to work correctly for me. The trick was to install pavucontrol from the repository (via synaptic) and then reboot/run that and set the channels as being shared. Now I can hear both a youtube playing whilst talking on skype (other party doesn't however hear both, only your voice).

Posted: Wed 13 Jul 2016, 10:29
by wyzguy
rufwoof,

To find a free loop device, try the following:
fgrep "" /sys/class/block/loop*/size | grep "size:0$"
cat /proc/partitions | grep loop ------ shows the used loop devices.

wyzguy

Posted: Wed 13 Jul 2016, 16:20
by rufwoof
wyzguy wrote:rufwoof,

To find a free loop device, try the following:
fgrep "" /sys/class/block/loop*/size | grep "size:0$"
cat /proc/partitions | grep loop ------ shows the used loop devices.

wyzguy
Thanks

#!/bin/bash
FL=`losetup -f`
echo $FL

also works well :)