keyboard errors in puppy 1.0.1 and 1.0.2
keyboard errors in puppy 1.0.1 and 1.0.2
hi
the keyboard X-Windows interface has 3 different errors:
a/ the ALT GR key don't work on all keyboard hardware.
on my Cybercom laptop it don't works in puppy.
it is terrible because the most keyboard layout's in puppy use the ALT GR for @, /, \, [, ], {, }. so it is not possible to write a correct email adresse, to write a WikiScript, to edit HTML etc...
b/ the most important occidental keyboard layout after English (German = de) don't works properly: it is in this version a REALLY BAD adaptation of the English Keyboard's: the keys for `
the keyboard X-Windows interface has 3 different errors:
a/ the ALT GR key don't work on all keyboard hardware.
on my Cybercom laptop it don't works in puppy.
it is terrible because the most keyboard layout's in puppy use the ALT GR for @, /, \, [, ], {, }. so it is not possible to write a correct email adresse, to write a WikiScript, to edit HTML etc...
b/ the most important occidental keyboard layout after English (German = de) don't works properly: it is in this version a REALLY BAD adaptation of the English Keyboard's: the keys for `
I'm just discussing this bug with Allan in the chatroom.
Not sure if it's exclusively a puppy related thing ( entirely ).
the AgtGr key seems to be disabled in Mozilla/Firefox for some reason. doesn't work on mine either ( UK spec and settings ).
Not a problem to me, but if it's needed for an @ sign then it's more than annoying. Cut and paste shouldn't be the answer !
Rich
Not sure if it's exclusively a puppy related thing ( entirely ).
the AgtGr key seems to be disabled in Mozilla/Firefox for some reason. doesn't work on mine either ( UK spec and settings ).
Not a problem to me, but if it's needed for an @ sign then it's more than annoying. Cut and paste shouldn't be the answer !
Rich
it's true
hi
thank you rich
it's true. i can confirm it (and do so: cut + paste; but to do that you have to find first one @ or \ or / ... or to open extra an "heavy" text programm. mozilla is not the only one programm where this happen. what is with firefox?)
but i did never have this problem in mandrake move or mandrake 10.1 that i am using intensiv in the last time (but not mozilla... I use the gnome environment and open office of course, and as browser sometimes the MS-Window browser OffByOne under Wine because it's starts and operate very fast and is the same in both MS-Window and Linux)
yours truly
oui
thank you rich
it's true. i can confirm it (and do so: cut + paste; but to do that you have to find first one @ or \ or / ... or to open extra an "heavy" text programm. mozilla is not the only one programm where this happen. what is with firefox?)
but i did never have this problem in mandrake move or mandrake 10.1 that i am using intensiv in the last time (but not mozilla... I use the gnome environment and open office of course, and as browser sometimes the MS-Window browser OffByOne under Wine because it's starts and operate very fast and is the same in both MS-Window and Linux)
yours truly
oui
From tonights playing........I've found a way around it.
Talking to Allan, AltGR +2 gives the 'at' sign needed, but the AltGr key doesn't work in the browser.
SO.......try this
go to /usr/share/keymaps/i386/ then navigate to the keyboard language and layout you have. EG. /qwerty/dk for danish.
open the file as text and find the word 'at' . ( in the dk setup it's on the keycode 3 line. )
the line reads "Keycode 3 = 2 quotedbl at"
Edit the line to read "Keycode 3 = 2 at quotedbl" and save the file
reboot the system and when you try the keyboard , the 'at' symbol is with the shift key, whereas the doublequote symbol is obtained with AltGr.
this is only an example.... if you use the doublequotes regularly in a browser then it's a better idea to put the 'at' somewhere else. Simply find a symbol you don't use much ( or at all ) in the browser and type the word 'at' in the second column of the keyboard file, next to the key you want it on.
The process may take a bit of fine tuning to individual needs, but the method works !
Let us know if it's any use !
Rich
Talking to Allan, AltGR +2 gives the 'at' sign needed, but the AltGr key doesn't work in the browser.
SO.......try this
go to /usr/share/keymaps/i386/ then navigate to the keyboard language and layout you have. EG. /qwerty/dk for danish.
open the file as text and find the word 'at' . ( in the dk setup it's on the keycode 3 line. )
the line reads "Keycode 3 = 2 quotedbl at"
Edit the line to read "Keycode 3 = 2 at quotedbl" and save the file
reboot the system and when you try the keyboard , the 'at' symbol is with the shift key, whereas the doublequote symbol is obtained with AltGr.
this is only an example.... if you use the doublequotes regularly in a browser then it's a better idea to put the 'at' somewhere else. Simply find a symbol you don't use much ( or at all ) in the browser and type the word 'at' in the second column of the keyboard file, next to the key you want it on.
The process may take a bit of fine tuning to individual needs, but the method works !
Let us know if it's any use !
Rich
make more with your ressources
Hi Rich, hi Allan
I thank you very much for the information where the keyboard layouts can be find and changed.
A difficulty did happen to try it:
the directories .../qwerty etc. seem to be writting protected and it is not possible to change or add files in it.
but it is a very usefull indication!
On my laptop, all the signs of the "calculator block" (1234567890*-+./) works properly with one click on the "Fn"-Key. It is the same as "ALT GR" I find. I don't need two different sets of keys for numerals and 2 sets of "*-+./". One is enough for me. So it is possible to dispose of the key of all the numeral line and *-+./ for other purposes: 15 keys disponible for other more important purposes! I can certainly find an optimal solution for all my needs under using of this possibility if I find a way to overwrite the key map.
Concerning the German Keyboard:
It is really a bug - the definition in the map is really wrong (I can remember that ten years ago, it was often so in the first Linux distribs): the creator did forget to declare the "grave" as "dead_grave" and did declare the "dead_accute" as "apostrophe". It would be really easy to change it in the next distrib of Puppy and preserve so German people using those signs from this irritation... only 2 little details to change and the keymap works properly...
I find that for West-European people the Es-Keymap gives the most possibilities to be able to write a lot of languages. I will declare "
I thank you very much for the information where the keyboard layouts can be find and changed.
A difficulty did happen to try it:
the directories .../qwerty etc. seem to be writting protected and it is not possible to change or add files in it.
but it is a very usefull indication!
On my laptop, all the signs of the "calculator block" (1234567890*-+./) works properly with one click on the "Fn"-Key. It is the same as "ALT GR" I find. I don't need two different sets of keys for numerals and 2 sets of "*-+./". One is enough for me. So it is possible to dispose of the key of all the numeral line and *-+./ for other purposes: 15 keys disponible for other more important purposes! I can certainly find an optimal solution for all my needs under using of this possibility if I find a way to overwrite the key map.
Concerning the German Keyboard:
It is really a bug - the definition in the map is really wrong (I can remember that ten years ago, it was often so in the first Linux distribs): the creator did forget to declare the "grave" as "dead_grave" and did declare the "dead_accute" as "apostrophe". It would be really easy to change it in the next distrib of Puppy and preserve so German people using those signs from this irritation... only 2 little details to change and the keymap works properly...
I find that for West-European people the Es-Keymap gives the most possibilities to be able to write a lot of languages. I will declare "
Re: make more with your ressources
files in qwerty weren't write protected in mine. Did you use ROX to access them ( right click and open as text ). That's all I did.oui wrote:Hi Rich, hi Allan
the directories .../qwerty etc. seem to be writting protected and it is not possible to change or add files in it.
Concerning the German Keyboard:
It is really a bug - the definition in the map is really wrong (I can remember that ten years ago, it was often so in the first Linux distribs): the creator did forget to declare the "grave" as "dead_grave" and did declare the "dead_accute" as "apostrophe". It would be really easy to change it in the next distrib of Puppy and preserve so German people using those signs from this irritation... only 2 little details to change and the keymap works properly...
The German Keyboard Definition should be easy to edit into a correct layout.
If you can point me to a picture of a layout for a German Keyboard somewhere on the internet , I'll give it a go and upload the file ( if it works ). Then it's just a matter of saving the newfile into the keymaps and selecting it from the wizard.
Rich
different versions of Puppy
Hi Rich
Thank you for your help!
a/ keyboard for different occidental languages
I have now a good layout of the german keyboard (an qwertz-keyboard; looks as a portuguese keyboard and different other european keyboards but the other keyboards are querty). with this keyboard, I can write using the "Fn"-Key of my laptop all following special char's without using "Alt-Gr" (because "Alt-Gr" don't answer in Mozilla). I did make it now in Mozilla in my puppy 1.0.2!
list of the signs without AltGr:
Thank you for your help!
a/ keyboard for different occidental languages
I have now a good layout of the german keyboard (an qwertz-keyboard; looks as a portuguese keyboard and different other european keyboards but the other keyboards are querty). with this keyboard, I can write using the "Fn"-Key of my laptop all following special char's without using "Alt-Gr" (because "Alt-Gr" don't answer in Mozilla). I did make it now in Mozilla in my puppy 1.0.2!
list of the signs without AltGr:
Strange that you couldn't edit the keyboard files......
I'm using 1.0.1 and I've had no problems like this. That's not strictly true, thinking about it. I got an 'access/modification denied' error once while playing around in the command line. However, navigating to the files using ROX and then using the right click - open as text command always seems to work for me .
Rich
I'm using 1.0.1 and I've had no problems like this. That's not strictly true, thinking about it. I got an 'access/modification denied' error once while playing around in the command line. However, navigating to the files using ROX and then using the right click - open as text command always seems to work for me .
Rich
you are right! here is my keyboard choice (modified 3Jun5)
Hi RichRich wrote:Strange that you couldn't edit the keyboard files......
I'm using 1.0.1 and I've had no problems like this. That's not strictly true, thinking about it. I got an 'access/modification denied' error once while playing around in the command line. However, navigating to the files using ROX and then using the right click - open as text command always seems to work for me .
Rich
You are right: The Help Page update from 17.5 "Package management", 2d paragraph named "Puppy Unleashed" says "Anyway, with the release of version 1.0.1, /usr became writable..." etc.
So if you use 1.0.1, you can overwrite /usr
and I did use 1.0.0 because of Firefox and didn't be able of that!
It is ok and exactly conform to the announced comportment!
I am really sorry for firebox and the w3 browser, but it is so...
Yours truly
fran