4.2 Meeting - Here

[ttuuxxx]

I haven't Scene any ETA announced on the Net yet...
And sum o' the New Goodies Sound Yum
Altho I've Always been of the Opinion that Barrys' once stated 6 - 8 Week Release Cycle seemed Rushed / Hectic & that Doubling it would have been Prudent, so anyway We got Spoilt! Also if I might make a Request 2 include an Old Wind0'$ Favorite EMule which is Available as amule-2.1.3.tar.gz or @ least as a pet Package since my Compiling Skills 'R' Wanting

Amule package is on the forum, http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=14432
its too big because it uses wxgtk, In the future maybe not , I'll have a look at VLC again with wxgtk, I've found its a bit better than Gxine in just about every way other than size, theres around 3.5 MB difference, Nex time I'll try to get it much smaller, the funny thing about VLC you can use it without wxgtk, but you can use the menus, they won't work, but if you right click on a application and select open with VLC it still plays
Someone needs to make a Gtk2 front-end for VLC. Then it would be around 4MB. Boy am I off-topic
ttuuxxx

[Lobster]

Part of 4.2 is the online facilities page (sorry forget name) - some more potentials here:
http://www.topwebbased.com/

[Max Headroom]

Warren 4.2, When?

[Pizzasgood]

He said he wants to have an alpha out by the 25th. I don't know about the final. I would expect sometime at least halfway through February.

[Max Headroom]

Thanx PizzasGood

[DaveS]

I have been 'lurking' the various 4.2 threads since the beginning. This looks a very cool Puppy indeed

[ttuuxxx]

I've been working on the Browser issues, and well I've come to the a conclusion that Cairo, Pango, Pixman should all be updated. But don't get your compiler out so quickly. If you update for example Pixman, you will have no desktop icons, Rox won't work, Xarchive, etc,etc won't work and your stuck in the mud without a wench. (luckily I backup my pupsave)
Cairo is outdated we are using 1.5 and FF3 requires 1.6 sure I changed the config in the source and it compiles but with a lot of errors. This could be the factor for the slowness in FF with images+Scripts in series 3 also.
Any Ideas guys?


Puppy should get a bit of tuning also. We have dated devx files that usually need upgrading when compiling. Shouldn't puppy + Devx compile out of the box? I'm not talking Glibc, more like autonfig and why don't we have Git in the compiler or as a package in the repo? 3.8MB http://www.puppylinux.asia/tpp/ttuuxxx/ ... 3-i386.pet
or should this wait until the alpha1 is released?

ttuuxxx

[aragon]

hi ttuuxxx,

i think with your devx-cooments you're absolutely right. we need some upgrades, git is a nice idea.

my proposal would be to also include gpaco http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=34428

it's a great helper-tool (for me), as i often have problems with 'new2dir'

cheers
aragon

[ttuuxxx]

here's another example of the DevX being somewhat outdated, I went to compile libgcrypt and use the ./autogen.sh and this was the output
./autogen.sh: line 21: 6292 Broken pipe "$1" --version
**Error**: `autoconf' not installed or too old.
Version 2.60 or newer is required.
**Error**: `automake' not installed or too old.
Version 1.10 or newer is required.

Well to compile and change to the latest autogen and automake is easy enough. but that should be done, I'll compile them after I'm finished a few things
ttuuxxx

[amigo]

Many sources are picky about which version of automake and/or autoconf they use. With a little care you can have multiple version installed at the same time.
You might try running 'autoreconf -if' in the sources as that will some times work when auotgen.sh does not.

[ttuuxxx]

I compiled the latest Pidgin with SSL and Working MSN, would be good for the repo but not that default, due to the 3.8MB pet in size.
ttuuxxx

http://www.puppylinux.asia/tpp/ttuuxxx/ ... 3-i386.pet
Also I compiled the automake and autoconfig download below, they are full dev+files for the compiler, I made them into tar.gz for easy extraction, no need as pets due to the fact that they need to be installed to the devx compiler
hope that helps a bit
ttuuxxx

[ttuuxxx]

here's a picture of Seamonkey 1.1.11 with the Mostly Crystal theme installed as default theme, I removed the original Seamonkey theme and replaced it saving space.
Then I hacked the code a bit and added a user quick launch bar, and added the home button, Then I added my 5 extra searches from FirePup , added a printer quick launch and this is what it looks like.
ttuuxxx

[WhoDo]

here's a picture of Seamonkey 1.1.11 with the Mostly Crystal theme installed as default theme, I removed the original Seamonkey theme and replaced it saving space.
Then I hacked the code a bit and added a user quick launch bar, and added the home button, Then I added my 5 extra searches from FirePup , added a printer quick launch and this is what it looks like.

Does this mean that Seamonkey-1.1.14 is a no show? Have you resolved the Insert key crash on your recompile of 1.1.11?

Here is a pic of my Seamonkey with Seafox theme, CuteMenus and Monkey Menus - the latter allows easy addition of functions to the main icon bar as shown, much like Firefox.

Firepup hasn't missed a beat either!

[ttuuxxx]

here's a picture of Seamonkey 1.1.11 with the Mostly Crystal theme installed as default theme, I removed the original Seamonkey theme and replaced it saving space.
Then I hacked the code a bit and added a user quick launch bar, and added the home button, Then I added my 5 extra searches from FirePup , added a printer quick launch and this is what it looks like.

Does this mean that Seamonkey-1.1.14 is a no show? Have you resolved the Insert key crash on your recompile of 1.1.11?

Here is a pic of my Seamonkey with Seafox theme, CuteMenus and Monkey Menus - the latter allows easy addition of functions to the main icon bar as shown, much like Firefox.

Firepup hasn't missed a beat either!

Naa I haven't given up on it, Just had a break,from it and was bored lol
Yours looks great also. The One I did came with tons of menu icons and actually was a bit on the large size due to all the icons in the theme.
ttuuxxx

[aragon]

attached find an updated intltool-package for devx.

cheers
aragon

[edoc]

is Gxine still buggy in 4.12 or 4.2, I'm using 4.1 at the present and it crashes really easy compared to 4.0 was there an upgrade or shall I say downgrade?
Here's an example that I posted in the Living water thread
If you leave a space at the end of a url stream by accident, it freezes then you have to kill it, but it stays running so then you have to run Pprocess and manually kill it
try this link and include a space at the end of the url before hitting enter for 4.12 users.

rtsp://rmlive.bbc.co.uk/bbc-rbs/rmlive/ev7/live24/radio1/live/r1_dsat_g2.ra

also I had it crash when trying to resize a movie video, and also it wouldn't play some normal formats, Gxine usually has some small issues but these are new ones for me, also maybe it just needs to be recompiled, I can't do it because I'm running live, When I compile live 90% of the apps work, but GXxine is one that I doesn't.
Any takers? I'll test anything released.
ttuuxxx

Cannot help with recompiling, don't know how.

I can share that in 4.12-Normal Frugal ext3 I have had problems I did not have in 4.11 and 4.11 and 4.12 lot that I did not have in 4

Right now I am observing gxine crashing when I close a window in GodTube.

I have been unable to use CUPS since updating from 4.11 to 4.12 (had some problems in 4.11 but 4.12 is impossible).

No idea if the CUPS problems are related to gxine in any way - perhaps a common dependency?

[showdownmetal]

i didnt read all of this, but is there gonna be something like rosegarden or nted or some sort of music composition/production program included?


IM BEGGING YOU!! PLEASE MAKE PUPPY MORE USEFULL FOR ME!!!!! AHHHHH

but seriously... i would love you guys forever.

[hillside]

Are you looking for something like Musescore? You can find a .pet for it here.

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=34321

[raffy]

Have you searched here for "music and puplet"?

A puplet is a tweaked Puppy for catering to special groups/interests.

[zenfunk]

Although I only have a coulpe of posts in this forum I'm a puppy user since the early 2.something series and a bigtime lurker here.
My two cents on the future of puppy.
First of all thanks to everybody who is involved in this for this fast and small distro. These are the two big upsides of puppy- fast and small.

Puppys speed and bootup times are fantastic, the system itself is responding better than anything, even on my PII 300 mHz 128 MB ram.

Nevertheless I don't see why it is so important to stick to such really small distro sizes, I really don't care if my distro is 450 MB or 80 MB. The smallest harddrives that still seem to be working to this day are in the 500 MB range- so you could get an even bigger puppy to work anyways. The difference for the usual end user are a couple of mp3 or half a movie less on your harddrive- no biggie. Ok, it might be due to the unique way puppy runs from ram (or from swap- if you are on a really low end machine), but nevertheless, if you are on such low ram machines, you would probably use a full hd install anyways.
Long story short, although smaller is preferable, I really don't see why you shouldn't have Icewm or Firefox in your base distro when many folks seem to install it afterwards anyways- the cost is about 15 to 20 MB- who really cares... .

Now the negatives. I'm sure they have been adressed elsewhere and I want to make clear that this is not a rant, it's just my point of view which I give so somebody can advance puppy.
The main reasons I don't run puppy on my main machine are the inconsistency between releases, packages not compatible between major releases, no real updates of packages, no automatic resolving of all the dependencies- do you get it?- you desperately need a good package manager.
One of the big advantages of the mayor distributions are the online repos. Why can't puppy have something like that? Its sooo convenient to just hit the add- remove button, select your desired program and click install. With dotpets and dotpups its like going back to windowsland and googling for setup.exes and whatnot.
Although I can see how the newer package manager in puppy tries to deal with the issue, and it has come a long way, I can't see the package manager as tightly integrated into the system like lets say apt-get. Automated kernel updates seem like out of the question right now.

The repos found in the package manager right now also seem very small. This I think is largely due to the inconsistent releases- you seem to have to repackage everything from release to release. Its like reinventing the wheel over and over again.

Just my two cents - and please don't get me wrong- his is not a rant but just my observations in about two years of puppy use.
Go puppy and all the best,

Christian