Fatdog64-520 RC

[kirk]

I've uploaded a pet package for Firefox-6.0:

http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/dis ... ox-6.0.pet

Test it out if you can. Firefox has changed the way it does version numbers, it doesn't look like a major upgrade. If it tests well, we'll put it in for final.

If you have already tried the included Firefox-5.0.1, delete /root/spot/.mozilla.

[gcmartin]

Kirk/JamesBond, I realize the many hours invested to get the stable "RC1" we currently have.

You have made some important recent video PETs and system updates.

Might you consider one more "RC" before releasing "Final" which contains all of the updates and progress made this week. There still seems to be a minor issue I am having with persistence in RC1 for Live media. I hope to get back on this tomorrow for you but have commitments until end-of-day tomorrow. If you think it prudent, it should insure that the "final" is integrated and fully addresses Live and Frugal user needs without adding PETs to resolve.

Also, please be aware that the hostname update does address the OTB requirements for this community. Thanks for realizing the importance.

Hope this helps.

[Hans]

Very nice dog Kirk and JamesBond! I made the switch from puppylinux to fatdog because I need all the ram for virtualbox. Congratulations!

Some minor issues:

1-contents of /usr/lib are not written to destination
happens with devx and LibreOfc-3.3.1_en-US_64bit_sfs4.sfs and fd64-devx_520.sfs

message:
# sh install_sfs
cp: cannot overwrite non-directory `/usr/lib' with directory `/data/usr/lib'
#

To clarify things, I use a full install and a script to copy everything into the filesystem. I used it from puppylinux4-series into the 5-series and now fatdog511 and 520b5/b6/b7. Only in fatdog520rc I encountered this issue. I checked and indeed the files supposed to go in usr/lib were not there. I suppose it has to do with /usr/lib being a symlink to /usr/lib64 but that is how far I got so far (which is not far at all, sorry!)
This is the script I use but I doubt it has anything to do with this issue:

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#!/bin/sh
SFS="*.sfs" #copy *.sfs to / first.
cd /
mkdir /data
mount -o loop $SFS /data
cp -a -v --remove-destination /data/* / >devcopy.txt
umount /data
sync 
rmdir /data
gxmessage -center -font "sans 16" -geometry 200x30 -timeout 4 -bg "green" -buttons "" -title "SFS-copy" "    Done!   "
###END###

2-Just after starting X is halted. Black screen and movable mouse point. Crt-alt-backspace to quit X. Happens irregulary but also from the life cd and the 3 beta's I tested, mentioned above. I am not sure about 511 and I did not test other beta's. See Xerror.jpg it is clear enough I believe, something is keeping X busy. It helps to disable some startup scripts but so far I can not erradicate it completely.
Am I the only one with this problem? It seems so...I did not come across this error on the forum.

3-lxpanel's desktop pager has an error, it only displays the windows
rectangles from the active workspace, not from all. Works on LucidPuppy 520.
And I can not edit it from the gui (panel preferences-Panel Applets), the edit button is greyed out. Fatdog uses lxpanel-0.3.8.1. And this error was fixed in newer releases, but there is a fix supposedly. I used this diff and rebuild lxpanel from source but it didn't work.

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--- pager.c 2008-04-20 01:44:13.000000000 -0700
+++ pager.c 2009-04-03 19:49:46.906398370 -0700
@@ -86,7 +86,7 @@


 #define TASK_VISIBLE(tk) \
- (!( ((tk)->ws != NormalState) || (tk)->nws.hidden || (tk)->nws.skip_pager ))
+ (!( (tk)->nws.hidden || (tk)->nws.skip_pager ))

 //if (t->nws.skip_pager || t->nwwt.desktop /*|| t->nwwt.dock || t->nwwt.splash*/ )

Any suggestions how to proceed?

I also tried a newer version but there I run in other problems, I will look into this a bit more later. Stupid enough this problem irritates me more than the other two, maybe because I got so used to it in lucid puppy.

But as I said, minor issues. I love this dog!

[jamesbond]

gcmartin, kirk is going to post RC2 soon. So please do let us know what your problem is.

Hans,
For Problem #1 -
- devx in RC has a problem - pygtk update went to /usr/lib instead of /usr/lib64. This will be fixed in RC2.
- there is nothing impotrant in libreoffice /usr/lib, you can ignore the error

Problem #2 -
Yeah that's puzzling. Sounds like timing issue - openbox/lxpanel is started before Xorg is ready.

Problem #3 -
lxpanel 0.3.8.1 is venerable indeed, has been there since the very first version of Fatdog (it was still 32-bit then) You can't just compile plain lxpanel, it has to be patched (otherwise you see no menus), and newer version of lxpanel isn't that easy to compile also. I'm not even aware of that as a "bug" until you say it works like that in Lucid

[Hans]

Thankx for the info jamesbond

problem #2: I can try to delay openbox/lx a bit. And no one ever reported this? I feel lonely....

problem #3: lucid is using a newer version, 0.5-something. But maybe compiling under 32bit is more straight foreward? I still have a go at compiling a new one I think.

problem #4, (sorry): Abiword aborts the moment I mark text. Has this been reported earlier? Or is it again me?

Question:
Is there a good way to log the console-messages at shutdown?
So once in a while I see quite a lot of them flashing by. Not allways though.

[rcrsn51]

Abiword aborts the moment I mark text. Has this been reported earlier? Or is it again me?

Confirmed. I have come to the opinion that even Ted would be a better basic word processor than Abiword.

[raffy]

Allow me to post the URL to the drivers of Radeon HD chips that come with AMD's E- and C-builds (the so-called Fusion APUs by AMD)
here (The specific chips of interest are AMD Radeon HD 6310 and HD 6250.)

The new Fusion builds are coming out in the form of inexpensive 14"-15" laptops - they are as large as the old laptops but have midget power consumption and price. Fatdog64 is just right for these revolutionary APUs.

Note: In my test of the E-350, only ISpup is able to keep X operating. X hangs when the power-saving features start (such as dimming the screen), and I suspect that ISpup does not use the said trick. Trying "apm=off" or "acpi=off" gave no joy. See the Xorg files of ISpup here.

[jamesbond]

Hans,
problem #2 - no, seems that you're the first one to report.
problem #3 - Fatdog's lxpanel source is here http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/dis ... /source/l/ if you want to try to add that feature.
problem #4 - that's too bad. kirk upped abiword to 2.9.1 in beta7 I think. Didn't try the cut and paste then, for me I used abiword more as a quick file viewer (for serious work I use libreoffice) - that works. Now we need to downgrade again to 2.8.6 (version used in 511 and earlier 520 betas).

rcrsn51, I tried Ted. Compiled ok, ran ok, but when I tried to open the "font tool" (hoping to be able to change the font), it crashed

[Hans]

problem #2 - my hardware is keeping X busy apparently
problem #3 - I did use that same source, did not work. No errors, just no changes. But there is more to the version lucid is using. The desktops do not only show all open windows but show the wallpaper as well. I will have a go at the newer version, it seems to be a bit more complete.

[Hans]

Jamesbond, I did not do my homework correctly, lucid is NOT using lxpanel but fbpanel 6.1. Sorry for the confusion.

On the bright side, lxpanel is showing the windows in all desktops now, using the diff posted earlier. Only it crashes when I click on panel settings, shown in de picture. I will try to find out what is causing this.

[jamesbond]

Hans,

Question:
Is there a good way to log the console-messages at shutdown?
So once in a while I see quite a lot of them flashing by. Not allways though.

I face the same problem I can think of a solution if you managed to boot at least twice and created your save file - then edit /etc/rc.d/rc.shutdown and delete the line that empties /var/log/messages.
If you have any progress on your lxpanel update, please do let us know

rcrsn51,
I managed to patch ted and now it runs better, not crashing anymore. It's on the pet repo now for anyone who is interested (en-GB dictionary included). The bug is still there, though - when you choose the font, the font sample at the top of the dialog sometimes doesn't work - but otherwise the setting is used properly inside the document.

cheers!

[Hans]

Jamesbond,
I am stuck on lxpanel for now, but the diff works, so that is a win for the next RC I guess, but the panel settings button does not, and is it not for the same reason jou mentioned earlier?

You can't just compile plain lxpanel, it has to be patched (otherwise you see no menus),

I used the source you mentioned but didn't patch a thing. And that might cause the panel settings button crash.
What patch are you referring to?

[jamesbond]

The source I referred to is already patched. Try to compile the source as is without applying further patches (ie your diff), and see if it works. If it works, then your diff causes instabilities elsewhere that would have caused the crash.
The panel setting is very important - in my opinion, it's more important than ability to see all the windows in pager. You can always switch desktops by pressing Ctrl-Alt-Left/Right-arrow, or Alt-mousewheel (when your cursor is on lxpanel).

cheers!

[rcrsn51]

rcrsn51,
I managed to patch ted and now it runs better, not crashing anymore. It's on the pet repo now for anyone who is interested (en-GB dictionary included). The bug is still there, though - when you choose the font, the font sample at the top of the dialog sometimes doesn't work - but otherwise the setting is used properly inside the document.

Thanks. I was actually being a bit facetious. I have been messing around with Abiword for years, but they have never been able to get it just right. Some recent versions have been awful at handling graphics.

Ted strikes me as an adequate little word processor, except that you are locked into the RTF format. It's too bad that he didn't include a DOC converter.

[WillM]

LXPanel requires menu-cache and lxmenu-data packages since version 0.4.0. First install menu-cache, then lxmenu-data then lxpanel.
I skipped the lxmenu-data part. Installed menu-cache-0.3.2 and
lxpanel-0.5.8. This puts application specific icons on the launcher area.
One thing I didn't like was the lxpanel menu put about 90% of the menu applications in category Other. The Openbox right click menu was not affected.

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lxpanelctl - LXPanel Controller
Usage: lxpanelctl <command>

Available commands:
menu	show system menu
run	show run dialog
config	show configuration dialog
restart	restart lxpanel
exit	exit lxpanel

I almost forgot, Firefox 6.0.pet has been working very nicely.

[jamesbond]

Thanks. I was actually being a bit facetious. I have been messing around with Abiword for years, but they have never been able to get it just right. Some recent versions have been awful at handling graphics.

Like crashing when you try to resize
Anyway, I've fixed that cut-paste crash, I've sent the patch to kirk. May be in the next rc or final.

Ted strikes me as an adequate little word processor, except that you are locked into the RTF format. It's too bad that he didn't include a DOC converter.

Agree. I was looking for a standalone doc/docx4 converter for a while and couldn't find any decent ones too.

WillM, all the apps shows in "others" because puppy xdg menu structure doesn't use the standard categories defined by freedesktop. That's one of the reason why lxpanel in Fatdog is patched - to use Puppy's categories. Openbox menu is defined independently of lxpanel - and again, it was heavily modified to align with puppy's menu structure. When I built libreoffice SFS, I need to edit their desktop files otherwise they won't show up in the proper location on lxpanel's patched menu categories.

Firefox 6.0 is working fine on this corner too.

cheers!

[Hans]

Jamesbond,

I think the diff works. No crashes this time. I tested it on the live cd and on my full install and I see no changes in behavior except for the intended one. You might want to try it out, the patched pet is in the tar and the diff-thingies as well.

Leaves me to wonder why it didn't work the first time, the one that caused lxpanel to crash. Difference is with the second attempt that I used prefix=/usr, instead of leaving it to default, what I normally do and generally works well.

So a question for learning purposes:
-For the fatdog-applications what prefix should I use?

[Ray MK]

Hi kirk, jamesbond

been a bit slow on picking up on this - really nice and fast.

just booted, so will play a bit and provide some noob feedback.

so far looks and feels outstanding - many thanks.

very best regards - ray

[Hans]

jamesbond,

regarding this problem I still have:

2-Just after starting X is halted. Black screen and movable mouse point. Crt-alt-backspace to quit X. Happens irregulary but also from the life cd and the 3 beta's I tested, mentioned above. I am not sure about 511 and I did not test other beta's. See Xerror.jpg it is clear enough I believe, something is keeping X busy. It helps to disable some startup scripts but so far I can not erradicate it completely.
Am I the only one with this problem? It seems so...I did not come across this error on the forum.

This time it showed me something else, see jpg.
I don't think it is related to the problem above but it shows lxpanel has a problem with one of its pixmaps.

UPDATE: found another diff on correcting this pixmap-error...working on it..more later I hope..
And yeah..the X error is definitely not connected, X is halted with no error, at least, not that I can discover. My hardware I think.

[WillM]

I am really liking Fatdog64-520 RC.
Hardinfo-0.5.2pre doesn't return results for all the benchmarks.
CPU Fibonacci and CPU Blowfish are the only two that returned a score consistent with the older version. Nothing else returned a score except GPU Drawing did return a mark for this machine, but nothing to compare it to.
Thanks for making Fatdog64 available.