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Posted: Sun 30 Mar 2008, 03:48
by MU
accessdenied wrote:I made a incorrect statement...
Actually, what I wanted to ask was is it possible to have icedock as a 'tray icon' after loading?
The same steps/procedure as if I were to right click icedock on the taskbar and select 'tray icon'.
I apologize on the confusion...
Ah I see.
No, I have no idea how this could be done.
In theory... hm... GtkBasic supports Trayicons, so I could write one, that hides/unhides the icedock.
At moment I'm too busy, but I will see if I can add that somehow as a plugin to the new panel in 008.3.
Then it would need no additional resources, as the Panel now is integral part of Muppy.
But I cannot promise it yet.
Mark
Posted: Sun 30 Mar 2008, 04:24
by MU
I love GuestToos old postings:
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=2919
So add this to /root/.icewm/winoptions:
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IceDock.allWorkspaces: 1
IceDock.tray: Exclusive
IceDock.layer: OnTop
IceDock.icon: /root/icedock.png
The last line must point to a valid picture-file, or remove it.
This does not solve, that there is a blinking taskbar-entry at startup.
But it has a trayicon now.
To fix the taskbar-issue, add these lines in the end of:
/usr/local/Muppy-icedock/Muppy-icedock
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shell("sleep 2")
a=GetWinIDbyName("icedock")
xwin_activate("0x" & a)
//-- uncomment this line to minimize icedock at startup!
//xwin_iconify("0x" & a)
If you can confirm, that it works, I'll add these changes to 008.3
Mark
Posted: Sun 30 Mar 2008, 04:44
by accessdenied
I will do the config/test and post back the results...
Good Stuff MU, really Good Stuff!!!
cheers.
Posted: Sun 30 Mar 2008, 05:58
by accessdenied
MU, I can confirm you are on-target with this one....
It's exactly as I pictured and works as requested.
The taskbar is now clean after loading.
However, I did changed the entry line 'IceDock.layer: OnTop' to 'IceDock.layer: Normal' in the /root/.icewm/winoptions file as being "OnTop" of every window is absolutely annoying.
Although, I recall icedock did an automatic pop-up when the mouse is moved to right side edge of the screen and disappears again when the mouse was removed but seems to not do that anymore. Hence the line entry change.
Hope this all make sense as I'm falling asleep writing this.. will pick this up later today...
Posted: Sun 30 Mar 2008, 09:16
by jonyo
Just tried to get qt-3.3.8 from the petget mgr & when I selected add & ok, next message was ~'did I want to uninstall it'.
Started to wonder there..for a bit. Then tried psi - installed fine & showed up in the right pane of the petget mgr.
Otherwise working fine on acer travelmate 2420 lap with the ipw2200 native driver & Lin'N'WinNewB setup with xp. Working good that way on another box along with vista.
Also added a fresh Seamonkey & Opera.
08.2 standard
Posted: Mon 31 Mar 2008, 18:39
by MU
here is a picture you can use for the Icedock-trayicon,I use it in Muppy 0083.
Mark
Posted: Mon 31 Mar 2008, 20:12
by besonen
is there a listing of the complete contents of these sfs files:
- addons-EN_082.sfs
- Acroread8-EN_082.sfs
- KDE358_082.sfs
are there any other 008.2 compatible sfs files?
are there any other locations for any 008.2 related files?
what is the "KDE358-update.pet" file for? and if i need it, how do i use it?
is the "Videopup-008.2-FR.iso" file a version of muppy with video editing apps?
does "addons_OO_082.sfs" contain openoffice and is it compatible with the english version of muppy 008.2?
thanks for answering all of my questions,
david
Posted: Mon 31 Mar 2008, 20:26
by accessdenied
MU, thanks for th icedock png icon. Actually, I used a another but will use yours as I like the moving fishes..
Also, I recently discovered what was happening to the icedock pop-up from what I though was an issue...
If the current viewing window is maximize, the icedock pop-up does not work. If the window is not maximized and stretched (dragged) to fix the whole screen, then moving the mouse over icedock will work... interesting find...
Did you purposely have icedock behave this way?
Posted: Mon 31 Mar 2008, 20:36
by MU
besonen:
You should be able to use most sfs files made for Puppy.
Especially those for Puppy 3, but also most for Puppy 2 should work.
You only must rename them, so that their name is "something_082.sfs", where "something" can be a word of your choice.
- KDE, please see details here:
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=26151
- addons.sfs adds the things to the Muppy-Mini, that else just can be found in the Standard-Iso (OpenOffice, Wine, Java, Codecs and others listed here:
http://dotpups.de/Minisys-Linux/ ).
Use the DE version if you want german.
Use the EN version if you want english.
- Videopup is a
french version based on Muppy with Video-Applications, created by papos.
Details:
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=27611
does "addons_OO_082.sfs" contain openoffice and is it compatible with the english version of muppy 008.2?
It is the french OpenOffice + skype_static-2.0.0.43, java, celtx etc.
accessdenied:
Did you purposely have icedock behave this way?
No, the current setting is what I reached by some testing.
The behaviour you describe might be an unwanted side-effect of "transferring" the window-control partially from Icedock to the tray-system of Icewm.
I currently do not know, how this could be changed.
Mark
Posted: Mon 31 Mar 2008, 21:53
by accessdenied
MU, I believe this has nothing to do with recent the tray icon edition you provided.
As a matter of fact, this was happening before changing the winoptions and Muppy-icedock but I could not distinguish when my windows were maximize or stretched out and thought is was strange that it works on some windows and not others.
I suppose it's the natureof the beast... regardless, excellent distro!!!
Posted: Tue 01 Apr 2008, 01:26
by besonen
thanks Mark.
i found one reference (
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic. ... 841#172841)
to the KDE358-update.pet file. i don't quite understand how it's supposed to be used (i'm a puppy newbie). i am under the impression that the KDE358-update.pet file might be obsolete, correct?
question, i thought .pet files were superseded by .sfs files?
MU wrote:
- addons.sfs adds the things to the Muppy-Mini,
ah, i was wondering where i could find the muppy-mini 008.2 isos.
Posted: Tue 01 Apr 2008, 01:32
by MU
oh yes, you need the .pet.
It includes fixes for the KDE358.sfs.
I did not apply them yet to the sfs itself, so this pet is needed, too.
After you selected the KDE358.sfs in the bootmanager (Puppy-Menu -> System -> Bootmanager) and rebooted to activate it, click in Rox-Filer on the downloaded pet to install it.
ah, i was wondering where i could find the muppy-mini 008.2 isos.
http://puppyisos.org/isos/2008-01-to-06/Muppy-008.2/
http://puppyfiles.ca/puppyisos/isos/Muppy008.2/
Mark
Posted: Tue 01 Apr 2008, 01:46
by besonen
MU wrote:oh yes, you need the .pet.
ok, thanks.
right.
my comment was meant to imply that i just realized that the base muppy iso was in fact the "mini" iso.
prior to that realization i was hunting around for a "mini" muppy iso.
Posted: Tue 01 Apr 2008, 01:55
by MU
The mini is:
Mini-Muppy-008.2-LANGUAGE.iso
Together with:
addons-LANGUAGE_082.sfs
you will get the same programs as using only:
Minisys-Linux-Standard-Muppy-008.2-LANGUAGE.iso
The advantage of using mini+addon is better memory management.
This will become even more evident in 008.3, where I could reduce the mini to be more responsive on computers with only 256 MB of Ram.
I will re-write the website this week, explaining it in detail, to avoid further confusion
Mark
Posted: Tue 01 Apr 2008, 02:40
by besonen
MU wrote:The mini is:
Mini-Muppy-008.2-LANGUAGE.iso
i swear when i checked the puppyisos.org and puppyfiles.ca sites earlier today those mini files were not there.
MU wrote:
Together with:
addons-LANGUAGE_082.sfs
you will get the same programs as using only:
Minisys-Linux-Standard-Muppy-008.2-LANGUAGE.iso
The advantage of using mini+addon is better memory management.
why would the combo have better memory management than the standard iso? it seems unintuitive to me.
MU wrote:
I will re-write the website this week, explaining it in detail, to avoid further confusion :D
that sounds great.
thank you for all of your efforts.
if i start to setup clients with muppy, is there a way i can have them make a donation to you?
Posted: Tue 01 Apr 2008, 02:53
by MU
why would the combo have better memory management than the standard iso? it seems unintuitive to me.
Muppy basically consists of 4 files.
vmlinuz = Kernel
initrd.gz = Startsystem
zmsy_082.sfs = Kernel modules, extracted when needed
msy_082.sfs = the main system/applications
If msy_082.sfs is smaller than Ram (plus some slack), it can be loaded completely to Ram.
So the windowmanager, menufiles and most often used programs and libraries are extremely fast.
If the msy_082.sfs is larger than Ram (as in Muppy-Standard), it is mounted like a harddisk, and all files get loaded from that disk, when they are requested.
This is slower.
I currently have an old notebook with 256 MB.
msy_083.sfs (early testversion) was 168 MB.
The computer acted a bit "sluggish"-
I then started Muppy 007, where this file is only 88 MB. That is very very fast.
So I started to move stuff from msy_083.sfs to addons_083.sfs, until finally msy_083.sfs was 103 MB.
Now Muppy 008.3 is almost as fast as Muppy 007 on this machine
The files from addon_083.sfs of course will be a bit slower.
But for Gnumeric it is not so important, if it needs 2 or 4 seconds to start.
But a windowmanager-menu must be very responsive.
You may donate using the Donation-button at
http://dotpups.de
Many thanks.
We use those donations to finance mirror-servers, and sometimes give amounts to other active Puppy users.
If you require more detailed help or customizations, we also may offer you support-contracts.
You may contact us then on
http://minisys.org or by sending private messages.
Mark
Posted: Tue 01 Apr 2008, 05:13
by besonen
MU wrote:why would the combo have better memory management than the standard iso? it seems unintuitive to me.
Muppy basically consists of . . .
thank you for that explanation.
and thanks for mentioning you offer support contracts.
Posted: Tue 01 Apr 2008, 05:53
by besonen
i assume the SP3 patch mentioned in this thread:
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=23397
is specific to the 008.0 release and that the 008.2 release incorporates these changes?
Posted: Tue 01 Apr 2008, 09:43
by Béèm
MU, just to let you know that the download link of the site produces a 404 message, Bernard
Posted: Tue 01 Apr 2008, 10:06
by MU
Yes, correct. Do not install in 008.2, as that includes further changes.
Beem, you mean on
http://minisys.org ?
It works for me?
Maybe it was temporary failure?
Mark